@Background Pony #5C4E
Imagine thinking that everyone hated the reformed villains. You do realize plenty of people loved having Starlight reform, right? Its also worth noting that the biggest criticism against the reformations was how they were handled, IE how Starlight’s came so quickly. The trio, meanwhile were well built up for rehabilitation, did not need to be turned to stone considering that the rainbow laser attack depowered them and the fact that one of them was a literal child.
@Smitty1991
Did you seriously check threw these days old comments sections just to find something you can insult like that? There’s no need to so dickish for no reason.
No, she didn’t. She didn’t have a skewed understanding of friendship at all. She understood friendship perfectly. That’s why she was able to turn it on its head.
She literally confused friendship with manipulation and thought that she could become more powerful then Twilight by having more friends then her. That is quite misguided if you ask me.
No. All it proves is that she, and by extension the writers themselves, didn’t think her plan through.
Yes, she didn’t think it through because she was too misguided to do so, just like with Starlight’s time travel.
How can she take the wrong lessons when they’re being taught by the poster ponies for amazing friendships? All she did was warp friendship to suit her own needs. Did you ever stop to consider the fact that maybe why she was sent to Tartarus was because she warped friendship to suit her own needs and vowed to do it again at the slightest opportunity due to being completely remorseless for her actions? No, of course you didn’t, because people like you will make up any excuse you can think of to absolve her of any wrongdoing.
So because a certain group of people try to teach something that means that no one studying it can possibly misinterpret their teachings? Did you ever stop to consider that maybe she needed a different type of education or perhaps some extra classes addressing what she got wrong and why instead of just stuffing her in an empty metal cage? No, because people like you have such a massive hateboner for her that you’ll use any excuse to try and justify what happened.
And you say that we try to absolve her of any wrongdoing? Very few people who hate what happened to her actually say that. I, and many others fully realize that what she did was horrible. What we argue against is her punishment and lack of any sort of second chance.
Again, how could she have been misguided in her studies if she was being taught by the Mane Six? Your reasoning for her villainy makes no coherent, logical sense, especially not in the face of what was presented to us throughout season 8. Try again.
Why should the Mane Six be considered infallible teachers to literally every student? I said she was misguided and I will stick to that. There is nothing to “try again”.
@Egil
Cozy wanted power true, but her reasoning came from a completely scewed understanding of friendship.
No, she didn’t. She didn’t have a skewed understanding of friendship at all. She understood friendship perfectly. That’s why she was able to turn it on its head.
The fact that her plan was so unsustainable proved how misguided her ideals were.
No. All it proves is that she, and by extension the writers themselves, didn’t think her plan through.
She simply took the wrong lessons and instead of trying to correct her they almost immedietly locked her in a cage.
No, she didn’t. How can she take the wrong lessons when they’re being taught by the poster ponies for amazing friendships? All she did was warp friendship to suit her own needs. Did you ever stop to consider the fact that maybe why she was sent to Tartarus was because she warped friendship to suit her own needs and vowed to do it again at the slightest opportunity due to being completely remorseless for her actions? No, of course you didn’t, because people like you will make up any excuse you can think of to absolve her of any wrongdoing.
In other words, her reasoning came from being misguided in her studies.
Again, how could she have been misguided in her studies if she was being taught by the Mane Six? Your reasoning for her villainy makes no coherent, logical sense, especially not in the face of what was presented to us throughout season 8. Try again.
@Background Pony #A53F
For the love of God, don’t ever make any attempt at being a writer, because you’re not good at it. That would’ve been an absolutely abysmal ending. What the fuck is wrong with you?
@Smitty1991
Knock it off already. We get it. Some us prefer serving proper justice, and your types just prefer seeking vengeance on literal children and not wanting to question whether our supposed heroes really did do the right thing.
In that case, you clearly didn’t pay attention at all throughout seasons 6-9.
Yes, I did. She showed no incentive to change before Twilight was practically forced to help her do so. That is the only reason she didn’t continue to be a villain.
Cozy Glow lacks empathy and shows no remorse for her actions. Now what are the most common traits of being a sociopath? Oh, right, right. Lack of empathy and showing no remorse for one’s actions.
And how do you know that she would be incapable of showing empathy for her actions if given time and proper help? Discord did his villainous acts without empathy before he was given proper help. We simply don’t know enough about her background and private life to say prove that she is one.
Heck, that time where she confessed to lying about the test for the CMC in her introductory episode (look at her expression https://derpibooru.org/images/1821856?q=marks+for+effort2C+cozy+glow2C+screencap ) and where she expressed enjoyment in helping others in Frenemies seems to prove otherwise.
Uh, no, she wasn’t. It was Starlight herself that changed herself, not Twilight. Twilight offered her an olive branch, which she could’ve easily refused, but she didn’t. Did you even watch the season 5 finale?
Did you? I recall that it took Twilight much convincing, showing Starlight her ruined future, then needing to go back to the past again to console Starlight because her friend moved away and then still needing to convince her not to rip the time travel scroll in half after all that. If that’s not Twilight directly helping her change then I don’t know what is.
Cozy Glow was given a chance to change but refused. She deserved this.
She literally never was given any chances to change, therefore she had nothing to refuse and since certain other villains did get their chances, I argue that she did not deserve it.
Except she was given a second chance and refused it.
Except that again, she wasn’t. She had nothing to refuse.
Celestia didn’t randomly decide to reform Discord. Watch both “It’s About Time” and “Twilight’s Kingdom.” She wanted him reformed to help with the incoming battle with Tirek. And the reason why Cozy Glow helped the CMC was purely for selfish reasons. You would know that if you actually paid attention.
So what, did Celestia get Tirek released and got Fluttershy to help him because she knew that Tirek was out even back then? How do you know that?
These three assholes got what they deserved, most especially Cozy Glow.
So you’re saying they deserved to be treated as mere objects to be disposed of when they served their purpose? That would imply that would be the case for any villain who didn’t reform under the pretense that “They never felt anything, so why should we feel for them?”
@Smart Heart
Yeah, Discord didn’t change at all. Oh, except for the fact that he helped save Equestria at least three times.
Maybe, but then the writers decided to make him an even more selfish asshole.
Starlight never attempted to murder anyone.
Of course not. Why would you want to murder anyone you intended to rule over? That would be counterintuitive.
@Ohvist
The problem here is that the person who started writing Celestia was not the one who finished writing her. Under Faust, Celestia was a demigod. By about season 6, she had transformed fully into an immortal soccer mom.
Funny how there’s no evidence of that being true in the show. Try again.
@Erosthanatos
The Celestia in the show lacked any and all of the qualities of regret (Parting Words), caution (Past Sins), and despair (Fallout: Equestria) that we had long been conditioned to accept and associate with her character
Wrong. She expressed regret and despair at having to banish her own sister. Watch the scene in “Princess Twilight Part 2.” You can clearly see her crying as she’s casting the spell. And how did she not exercise caution? What do you call her not wanting Twilight to involve her friends in “Twilight’s Kingdom?” Or her leaving the Elements with Twilight in “Keep Calm and Flutter On?”
in that she would more-likely appear as nothing more than a spoiled child who does not learn or form any emotional connections with others that are not through her own direct or indirect manipulations, and chooses to run away from all responsibility or backlash and leave Twilight to pick up her pieces caused by her own ego trip in order to preserve her own flawless image.
What the hell is this complete and utter nonsense? What do you mean she never formed any emotion connection with others unless she could manipulate them to suit her own needs? What do you call her viewing Twilight as being like her daughter or the fact that she regularly visited Ponyville to spend time with her subjects or how she was more than willing to accommodate Rarity in “Sweet and Elite?” I’m also curious as to this “leaving Twilight to clean up her mess” bullshit. Did you happen to forget that she and her sister are no longer tied to the Elements?
@DanielTepesKraus
Funny how none of that actually happened in the show. Try again. My God, you guys really suck at trying to paint Celestia in a bad light.
@DarkHooves
She was given a chance to change, multiple times in fact and refused to do so.
@nightshroud96
they were being built up to receive in a fashion that is completely organic instead of being cheap (like with the Twilicorn Incident back in Season 3).
Uh, did you not pay attention at all throughout seasons 1-3? Twilight becoming a princess was built up throughout those seasons. Becoming a teacher is what students are supposed to do. Also, most importantly, her Element was represented by a crown. Her becoming a princess was foreshadowed as early as episode 2!
@Smart Heart
Yeah, Discord didn’t change at all. Oh, except for the fact that he helped save Equestria at least three times.
@Background Pony #613A
In that case, you clearly didn’t pay attention at all throughout seasons 6-9.
@Background Pony #613A
Cozy Glow lacks empathy and shows no remorse for her actions. Now what are the most common traits of being a sociopath? Oh, right, right. Lack of empathy and showing no remorse for one’s actions.
@Background Pony #613A
Uh, no, she wasn’t. It was Starlight herself that changed herself, not Twilight. Twilight offered her an olive branch, which she could’ve easily refused, but she didn’t. Did you even watch the season 5 finale?
@Background Pony #613A
Cozy Glow was given a chance to change but refused. She deserved this.
@Background Pony #613A
Starlight never attempted to murder anyone. And, yes, Cozy Glow is a sociopath.
@Background Pony #613A
Celestia didn’t randomly decide to reform Discord. Watch both “It’s About Time” and “Twilight’s Kingdom.” She wanted him reformed to help with the incoming battle with Tirek. And the reason why Cozy Glow helped the CMC was purely for selfish reasons. You would know that if you actually paid attention.
@Ohvist
Celestia is not a control freak. Either offer up proof to back up your bullshit claim or shut the fuck up. Stop making up bullshit just to hate a good character. As for your reasoning behind Cozy’s actions, they are complete bullshit and nothing but a desperate attempt on your part to absolve her of any wrongdoing.
@NLTLF @A Gruntman
You’re both very special, now let the petty pizzahut man have his tag before the fun police arrive and ruin the comments for everyone.
Cut it out with the tag already. OP is making a valid point here, so if you think it’s wrong then feel free to express why instead of mocking them in the tags.
Imagine thinking that everyone hated the reformed villains. You do realize plenty of people loved having Starlight reform, right? Its also worth noting that the biggest criticism against the reformations was how they were handled, IE how Starlight’s came so quickly. The trio, meanwhile were well built up for rehabilitation, did not need to be turned to stone considering that the rainbow laser attack depowered them and the fact that one of them was a literal child.
lul
She wasn’t even present when the fiasco happened actually.
Did you seriously check threw these days old comments sections just to find something you can insult like that? There’s no need to so dickish for no reason.
@Smitty1991
She literally confused friendship with manipulation and thought that she could become more powerful then Twilight by having more friends then her. That is quite misguided if you ask me.
Yes, she didn’t think it through because she was too misguided to do so, just like with Starlight’s time travel.
So because a certain group of people try to teach something that means that no one studying it can possibly misinterpret their teachings? Did you ever stop to consider that maybe she needed a different type of education or perhaps some extra classes addressing what she got wrong and why instead of just stuffing her in an empty metal cage? No, because people like you have such a massive hateboner for her that you’ll use any excuse to try and justify what happened.
And you say that we try to absolve her of any wrongdoing? Very few people who hate what happened to her actually say that. I, and many others fully realize that what she did was horrible. What we argue against is her punishment and lack of any sort of second chance.
Why should the Mane Six be considered infallible teachers to literally every student? I said she was misguided and I will stick to that. There is nothing to “try again”.
No, she didn’t. She didn’t have a skewed understanding of friendship at all. She understood friendship perfectly. That’s why she was able to turn it on its head.
No. All it proves is that she, and by extension the writers themselves, didn’t think her plan through.
No, she didn’t. How can she take the wrong lessons when they’re being taught by the poster ponies for amazing friendships? All she did was warp friendship to suit her own needs. Did you ever stop to consider the fact that maybe why she was sent to Tartarus was because she warped friendship to suit her own needs and vowed to do it again at the slightest opportunity due to being completely remorseless for her actions? No, of course you didn’t, because people like you will make up any excuse you can think of to absolve her of any wrongdoing.
Again, how could she have been misguided in her studies if she was being taught by the Mane Six? Your reasoning for her villainy makes no coherent, logical sense, especially not in the face of what was presented to us throughout season 8. Try again.
For the love of God, don’t ever make any attempt at being a writer, because you’re not good at it. That would’ve been an absolutely abysmal ending. What the fuck is wrong with you?
@Smitty1991
Knock it off already. We get it. Some us prefer serving proper justice, and your types just prefer seeking vengeance on literal children and not wanting to question whether our supposed heroes really did do the right thing.
Yes, I did. She showed no incentive to change before Twilight was practically forced to help her do so. That is the only reason she didn’t continue to be a villain.
And how do you know that she would be incapable of showing empathy for her actions if given time and proper help? Discord did his villainous acts without empathy before he was given proper help. We simply don’t know enough about her background and private life to say prove that she is one.
Heck, that time where she confessed to lying about the test for the CMC in her introductory episode (look at her expression https://derpibooru.org/images/1821856?q=marks+for+effort2C+cozy+glow2C+screencap ) and where she expressed enjoyment in helping others in Frenemies seems to prove otherwise.
Did you? I recall that it took Twilight much convincing, showing Starlight her ruined future, then needing to go back to the past again to console Starlight because her friend moved away and then still needing to convince her not to rip the time travel scroll in half after all that. If that’s not Twilight directly helping her change then I don’t know what is.
She literally never was given any chances to change, therefore she had nothing to refuse and since certain other villains did get their chances, I argue that she did not deserve it.
https://derpibooru.org/images/864802?q=starlight+glimmer%2C+attempted+murder
Except that again, she wasn’t. She had nothing to refuse.
So what, did Celestia get Tirek released and got Fluttershy to help him because she knew that Tirek was out even back then? How do you know that?
As for Cozy, again, her expressions says otherwise. https://derpibooru.org/images/1821856?q=marks+for+effort2C+cozy+glow2C+screencap
So you’re saying they deserved to be treated as mere objects to be disposed of when they served their purpose? That would imply that would be the case for any villain who didn’t reform under the pretense that “They never felt anything, so why should we feel for them?”
Maybe, but then the writers decided to make him an even more selfish asshole.
Of course not. Why would you want to murder anyone you intended to rule over? That would be counterintuitive.
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You do know that was a joke, right? Wait, you took that joke seriously?! Wow, you’re a moron!
@Tinandel
Funny how there’s no evidence of that being true in the show. Try again.
@Ohvist
Wrong. She expressed regret and despair at having to banish her own sister. Watch the scene in “Princess Twilight Part 2.” You can clearly see her crying as she’s casting the spell. And how did she not exercise caution? What do you call her not wanting Twilight to involve her friends in “Twilight’s Kingdom?” Or her leaving the Elements with Twilight in “Keep Calm and Flutter On?”
What the hell is this complete and utter nonsense? What do you mean she never formed any emotion connection with others unless she could manipulate them to suit her own needs? What do you call her viewing Twilight as being like her daughter or the fact that she regularly visited Ponyville to spend time with her subjects or how she was more than willing to accommodate Rarity in “Sweet and Elite?” I’m also curious as to this “leaving Twilight to clean up her mess” bullshit. Did you happen to forget that she and her sister are no longer tied to the Elements?
@DanielTepesKraus
Funny how none of that actually happened in the show. Try again. My God, you guys really suck at trying to paint Celestia in a bad light.
@DarkHooves
She was given a chance to change, multiple times in fact and refused to do so.
@Ohvist
Uh, did you not pay attention at all throughout seasons 1-3? Twilight becoming a princess was built up throughout those seasons. Becoming a teacher is what students are supposed to do. Also, most importantly, her Element was represented by a crown. Her becoming a princess was foreshadowed as early as episode 2!
@Smart Heart
Yeah, Discord didn’t change at all. Oh, except for the fact that he helped save Equestria at least three times.
@Background Pony #613A
In that case, you clearly didn’t pay attention at all throughout seasons 6-9.
@Background Pony #613A
Cozy Glow lacks empathy and shows no remorse for her actions. Now what are the most common traits of being a sociopath? Oh, right, right. Lack of empathy and showing no remorse for one’s actions.
@Background Pony #613A
Uh, no, she wasn’t. It was Starlight herself that changed herself, not Twilight. Twilight offered her an olive branch, which she could’ve easily refused, but she didn’t. Did you even watch the season 5 finale?
@Background Pony #613A
Cozy Glow was given a chance to change but refused. She deserved this.
@Background Pony #613A
Starlight never attempted to murder anyone. And, yes, Cozy Glow is a sociopath.
@Background Pony #613A
Except she was given a second chance and refused it.
@Background Pony #613A
Celestia didn’t randomly decide to reform Discord. Watch both “It’s About Time” and “Twilight’s Kingdom.” She wanted him reformed to help with the incoming battle with Tirek. And the reason why Cozy Glow helped the CMC was purely for selfish reasons. You would know that if you actually paid attention.
@Ohvist
Celestia is not a control freak. Either offer up proof to back up your bullshit claim or shut the fuck up. Stop making up bullshit just to hate a good character. As for your reasoning behind Cozy’s actions, they are complete bullshit and nothing but a desperate attempt on your part to absolve her of any wrongdoing.
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@A Gruntman
You’re both very special, now let the petty pizzahut man have his tag before the fun police arrive and ruin the comments for everyone.
@Background Pony #A079
If he gets to do it I get to do it too
given that picture post a year ago means that you can’t let this post go too
Alright now you lot are just being petty.
Op can’t let go
Ding!