@Background Pony #FAF6  
Fuck off with the “real life” defense. Kids are innocent. Even the ones that light their schools on fire or kill people or whatever. It’s all innocent, because they are children. Are their actions horrible?! Sure, but we as a society due tend to favor reformation in these cases, giving them psychiatric help and therapy. There’s no guarantee they’ll ever be able to be integrated back into society, but only an evil person would say “lock them up.” Fuck no, kids are not responsible for their own actions and need to be nurtured into better people in any way possible.
 
The very fact that this godawful shitty-ass lesson could be interpreted as applying to real life is why I hate it so much. There is no such thing as an evil child, only a society that failed them. In 100% of these cases, the kids just have a mental condition that needs to be treated. They don’t deserve to die over it.
 
Please never have kids if you make this argument about real life.
 
@Background Pony #2D18  
And?! She still deserves a second chance. Twilight was too evil to let her have one because she’s a crazy person that loves to watch kids die.
 
@Ridleylash  
This was already pointed out below, but you don’t even watch the show if you don’t know that your two examples both rejected redemption at first and only eventually accepted it because of the love they were shown.
 
You’d think a fucking four year-old might be deserving of some of that same love in a show for little girls, but apparently the writers wanted to go out making sure the target demographic knew how much they hated them. That’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
 
@Background Pony #1A80  
They did it in the series finale, Discord said “together forever” and they were nowhere to be see in the epilogue. It’s not a temporary time out, the final thing the writers left us with was the insane idea that the Mane Six either tortured a little girl either to death or tortured her for all eternity. This was the show’s ending.
 
@Background Pony #1A80  
No, all I wanted was an ending that actually felt even remotely similar to the actual show. Instead the writers thought it’d be cool to be edgelords and kill a kid because they’re way-too-online and read every single tweet and comment telling them to stop reforming villains.
 
Your original point about fans bitching about the characters being reformed was almost valid. The problem is that the overly insecure writers decided to listen to those people instead of trying to write the best ending. They also went to the Rian Johnson school of “Unexpected = good”. Sometimes a nice well-executed ending that anyone with a brain could see coming a mile away is legitimately the best approach.
 
This episode made the Season 6 finale completely non-canon. Starlight believed that The Pony of Shadows could be changed for no real reason whatsoever, just because she trusted in the better angels of his nature. She knew she could fix him. In this one, she cheered on the death of a toddler just because she was a horrible guidance counselor to her and allowed her to turn absolutely evil.

@Background Pony #15EC  
Nah, she was manipulated jack shit, she even manage to backstab the manipulator. People just don’t know what they want and just act contrarians so they have something to rail against

@Background Pony #15EC  
Hence why they were “just” turned into stone like Discord. Not the end of the line, I don’t understand the belly aching, they just got an extended time out/calm down time lmao. If they were shattered into pieces like Storm King, I would have understood your point but they’re not. Canonically, they are just in prison

@Ridleylash  
Except for the fact that Discord was released specifically to be rehabilitated, had Fluttershy refusing to give up on him and was forgiven multiple times afterwards after endangering Equestria and multiple creatures while Twilight was practically forced to rehabilitate Starlight during the time loop thing.
 

 
Which is what Starlight did. And the assumption of power thing alongside Tirek and Chrysalis was forced by Discord.
 

 
Her basic understanding of friendship, trying to teach her why her ideology is wrong, playing on the fact that she did seem to enjoy helping others etc. You never know if you don’t try.
 
@Background Pony #2D18  
She never showed remorse because she was never given a second chance. I didn’t see any remorse for Discord when he escaped and even when he was let out as he mocked the ponies for trying to reform him.
 
 
@Background Pony #FAF6  

 
Her mannerisms even when no one is looking, her looks, the fact that almost everyone treats her like a child and the fact she herself stated that she was a kid. Meanwhile there is no evidence to her not being one.
 

 
Is that why Starlight and Discord were set free?
 
And if were talking about potential mass destruction, what about Starlight messing with the timeline or Discord literally reshaping Equestria into a chaotic nightmare? The fact of the matter is that other reformed villains have crimes equel in severaty to Cozy and if they deserved a second chance then so does she.

This pile of bullshit rests on two foundations: one. Crazy Glue is a child. In a world full of monsters and a race that can literally CHANGE, it is up to you to prove this before you can use it as an argument. But it doesn’t matter, because: Second. The legal fiction that underage equals innocent. No one believes this except defence lawyers and family members. Meanwhile, actual “children” are in jail for horrible crimes.  
Redemption is not a right or some kind of responsibility on society to make you live your best life. If anything the responsibility of society is to protect the vast majority who are not trying to cause genocide.  
And before you say “she was trying to take over the world, not destroy it”  
Equestria runs on magic. Everyone knows this. It would be like someone releasing an oil destroying bacteria or electrical jammer in human society, and after 6 billion people die from the collapse of civilization claiming they didn’t know it would happen. So they are innocent.

 
fucking gag me. this is some schmaltzy shit for a charater that would use this opportunity to shiv twi in the neck. cozy NEVER showed remorse for her actions and would have happily gone on reaching havoc if she wasn’t.

I mean, I think it’s pretty clear Cozy isn’t interested in redemption; she’s fully aware of what she’s doing, and doesn’t seem to care about it. It also seems incredibly disrespectful to her character (a conniving sociopathic manipulator who plays ponies like chess pieces) to just turn her into a sad little misunderstood kid who doesn’t know what she’s doing and needs to be babied by the Mane 6.
 
The thing with Starlight and Discord is that they eventually showed interest in redemption for a reason. With Discord, it was realizing that he liked being friends with Fluttershy that caused him to want to be good. With Starlight, it was realizing she needed to try to make new friends and experiences instead of living in the past that caused her to want to try and be better.
 
Cozy’s reaction to her plan failing is to try and run and then, once that fails, plotting to commit a despotic assumption of power alongside two known enemies of the country, including literally stealing magic from the Princesses. The problem with Cozy is that her entire ideology is that she views friendship as nothing but a means to an end, a power to be exploited.
 
There’s nothing to salvage there unless you try to literally change Cozy Glow’s entire ideology about friendship, which is a gargantuan task that, given her ability to fake an entire personality, she could easily just fake to get around anyways. And radically changing her personality to make a redemption arc fit is just bad writing.
 
Just because the show is about friendship doesn’t mean all the villains can or should be reformed.

@UserAccount  
If there is one, you’re clearly breaking it.

@Background Pony #1A80  
Villain redemptions weren’t the problem. It was rushed, out of nowhere redemptions that made people upset like how Starlight was so quickly forgiven and reformed almost out of nowhere.
 
But to have a child be put into Tartarus of all places without so much as an attempt to reform her and later have her turned to stone on the spot after being let out and manipulated into working together with two other villains with the supposadly reformed Discord, after she was rendered harmless by the rainbow beam, after Frenemies, which would have set them up for a pretty good redemption, or at least the start of it, and in the same universe that had Discord be forgiven for so many things, where Starlight was practically rewarded for messing with time and where Tempest was appearently not in trouble with all the countries she helpt subjugate makes the heroes look like cruel hypocrits.

@Background Pony #1A80  
Those are different people. I’ve always maintained that the fans who were against redemption were the worst part of the fanbase. It’s like being a Veggietales fan and begging the writers to stop talking about religion. Like, you’re missing the point if you really fail to see that redemption is a fundamental theme of the show. Stop generalizing us as if we’re all the same people.
 
@Joshua  
LOL! What kind of rule would that be? No, the rules say nothing like that.

@Joshua  
In a way, I understand Op may not share my dark sense of humor, I was like “oh shit they went there and punished the little hellion child in proportion to the shit she caused” but I can understand it does not sit well with some people to see a child get spanked. But like I said Discord got the statue treatment too and eventually calmed down as well, you can make a fanfic about it if you want, it’s Canon that being turned to stone doesn’t mean it’s the end of the line for you

@Background Pony #1A80  
As hard as it is to talk sense to someone who won’t accept reason, I’m glad I’m not the only one with this opinion.
 
…Also, is there a rule on this site that prohibits users from faving a picture they themselves uploaded?

Fuck this. I saw you guys over 6 years were constantly belly aching over how FIM emphasized villain redemption when Starlight was introduced and when the show give you exactly that, evil hopeless villains, you got your knickers in a twist yet again  
Serves them right for coming very close to destroy Equestria and as Discord is any indication, being turned to stone is not an unescapable prison

How can I say I disagree without also agreeing that Cozy was a lost cause?
 
Feels like the worst of both worlds here.

@Background Pony #3E34  

 
Once.

@Background Pony #15EC  
Agreed. I hope we haven’t seen the last of her. 🥺

 
The caption and description feels like something you’d make up in order to make fun of Cozy Glow fans.

Poor child. Given up on without any attempt to rehabilitate her and punished in rediculously cruel ways in the same universe where people like Starlight, Tempest and Discord were helped and in some cases, were given a lot of chances.

Well for one we know G5 will probably have nothing to do with these guy. Maybe at some point but definitely not straight away.
 
Also no, Cozy knew everything she was doing and she actively knew it was wrong. She cared only for power, and those she could manipulate to get more. Twilight wasn’t responsible for Cozy’s actions outside of teaching Cozy about friendship in the first place

Haha, no.  
Cozy Glow was shown friendship and the benefit of the doubt numerous times.  
These lessons were not lost for lack of understanding them conceptually, either, since clearly Cozy understood friendship well enough to use it manipulatively to get other people to do what she wanted.  
Twilight did her job.  
She wasn’t wrong or ineffective as a teacher, and certainly not “evil.”
 
This was not someone else’s fault.  
Cozy was just unfixable.
 
Deal with it, don’t @ me.

@sonicfan  
Totally untrue. Mentally unwell people are not responsible for a lot of what they do and neither are children. Cozy is both a child and mentally deranged.

Only one’s self can be responsible for one’s own actions. Therefore, to make a claim that Cozy isn’t responsible for her own actions is a logical fallacy and encourages and cultivates a culture of dangerous and criminal behaviors.