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cached stuff on the site means backing up a step can cause weirdness
 
If that was the issue, then how can they push new changes with cache not being an issue?
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I mean the bottom half of the metabar, where it currently only contains the upload time and name of the uploader.  
This is what it looks like currently: full  
This is what I suggest: full
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@The Luna Fan  
Ditch the grouping of multiple stats, maybe? I’m ok with not letting things break in the middle of “Uploaded 22 days ago” but not the entire timestamp and username together. Time will tell if that one forced newline is necessary or a problem once the artist credit fits in, but I predict that for smaller screens we could end up with a four-line metabar with two lines half full of whitespace. Five lines on mobile. That’d be almost a third of the screen for most phones, I would think.
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I mean, look at the way this spaces out right now:  
full  
If it were up to me, I’d make the vote buttons a top priority and let all the blue icons settle in together. Maybe even ditch the few remaining labels on subscribe and galleries. But every phone is different so I don’t know what to expect, really, this was just a screencap of my desktop browser squashed into a skinny-ish window to make the mobile layout appear.
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I actually just realized I had recorded a shot of a fullscreen derpibooru image page in a livestream a couple weeks ago. Sorry for lack of pixels, but it is what it is. I scaled my browser to about the same resolution and took a new screenshot for a side-by-side comparison (and even grabbed it from the same image page)… if we really want to talk about what of the old design to bring back, and what to keep of the new design, I think this should help.  
full
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I’m thinking maybe reducing the side paddings of the menu items from 12px to 8px, rationale being that the more compact the menu is, the narrower the viewport needs to be before wrapping occurs.
 
However, I’m not sure how much it would adversely affect mobile or touchscreen users. So here I tries to remedy that by setting min-width: 20px; text-align: center; to the menu items, so that the icon-only buttons maintains their previous widths.  
Here’s a comparison between the two on a 1280px wide viewport: Original padding | reduced padding
 
Finally, it’s inevitable that wrapping will occur on narrower screens without radical reduction of items from the metabar. The best we could do about that, I think, is to control how the wrapping happens. I believe by grouping all the items between the subscribe button and the download icon together, an overall better presentation could be achieved.  
Viewport width of 1080px: Current | Proposed
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Thank you! The old one was much more logically placed and even has “VS” and “DS” labels for short links - now it’s an awful experience just to either click or tap them properly. Also, centered layout seriously screws with muscle memory and adds to frustration.
 
As an artist, I don’t give a damn about being “promoted” at the top. In fact, this will be a bad “feature”, because art can be a collab of multiple artists! How do you expect them all to fit into that tiny cramped space and not overload the page visually? There are tags for that for a good damn reason.
 
Seriously, it’s time to stop fixing what wasn’t broken. :(
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That it does, I was considering the tablet users. Though in reconsideration, the actual width reduction in changing the padding is rather minimal as to not worth the effort. I still believe in rearranging the buttons and that flex--spaced-out needs to go, though.
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I don’t like how it’s look at the moment. Three columns are to much (or rather 5 counting the header and the drop downs) and there are huge gaps between the icons, or rather the different sections. Not very pleasing to the eye, and a giant waste of space.  
Also with 3 columns you have to scroll down to see the entire picture, when normally you wouldn’t have to.
 
I like that you plan on giving the artist more credit, since the uploader is more prominent. One way to make the uploader a bit less prominent, and give more space for other things, would be to not show every single badge the uploader earned, because some users have ridiculously many.
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@DarthBarf  
I look at it this way. From a design and UX perspective, every thing I can see that’s changed in the current layout, my response has been “maybe it would be better if we tried X” and it turns out that X is how it looked before the update. It’s not just a case of familiarity or status quo, it really is overall a better design.
 
But I don’t think that should preclude all of the planned changes, either. Adding artist credit (to the old design) wouldn’t detract from it, and we’ve already thought through what to do in the case of multiple or zero artists, and even if all the image has is an editor tag. Making the view buttons less redundant through the use of a user setting is a good idea, too; so far anyone I’ve talked to has one type they prefer and stick to, but they don’t all prefer the same type. And, of course, anything going on under the hood to streamline the code is a good thing. Even reducing the visibility of uploader badges is something worth trying once we go back to the drawing board.
 
So my wholehearted recommendation is, if forward is the only direction to go, to make the layout behave like the old layout as exactly as possible with whatever CSS improvements reduce spaghetti code, and then move forward with the three good changes since they really are what should have been done in the first place to solve the issues we were having.
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So, clientside setting could work, but on rethinking it, a dropdown is better since short filenames are the more common use case, this way people can choose on the fly, and it’s less code to maintain.  
In doing this, I decided to move down file info as well to really shrink the required space of the top metabar, with the idea to have it off to the side under download so it’s still grouped more with the buttons than the uploader info.
 
Here’s what it’ll look like for the current plans  
Showing the dropdown
 
Artist info will take up the space in the middle.
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@Princess Luna  
I think the tooltip might be better off saying “long filename,” right now it’s a bit redundant with the dropdown. Either or.
 
I like the file info on the bottom of the metabar, makes sense with the other info on that line.
 
I just think it’s a little weird having anything shoved all the way to the right-hand side, a problem easily solved by removing the justify-content: space-between attribute from the metabar. If you do literally nothing else, that’s the one thing that’d make a big difference.
 
Also, with the information thus categorized again, wny not bring back the color difference in the top and bottom metabar? Without it, it looks like just one bar with content that fits poorly, rather than two bars with different purposes (dynamic, interactive stuff, and static informational stuff).
 
But yes, this is a good change, and I approve so far.
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since short filenames are the more common use case
 
>tfw you find out the normal, daily thing you’ve done for six years is actually a minority feature
 
Seriously, I’ve never downloaded any image without tags from Derpi. Not. Even. Once.
 
The dropdown is fine, but please make the “download with tags” the default one, not the tagless. I hate to navigate dropdowns to do the obvious thing. This dropdown is, from my point of view, yet another “let us slow you down for no reason” anti-feature. Or let me choose, in my settings, which one is the default.
 
I’m not sure which thread I should post this. I’ll post this here, because I honestly believe I’ll get banned on the other thread and I don’t want to get banned on the day when a new season starts. This anti-feature annoys me so much (even more than any of the other changes done in the last week) that I have to get this off my chest.
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I never really used the View/Download buttons myself.  
[Right-Click FTW~]
 
But trying mouse movements out. I’m not feeling it’s much of a change. Perhaps due to muscle memory. But mousing over the button then down slightly feels roughly the same as just mousing over to that area. And I think the buttons are larger than they were.
 
But, as I said, I never really used those buttons. So I can’t really comment on how those feel from experience.
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All these changes lately with the image headers is definitely a case of fixing what isn’t broken. I appreciate the desire to improve, but the weird spacing and dropdown menu especially is annoying as hell. I always use tags when downloading so there is a chance I can find it again with a filesystem search.
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@supernovacrazy  
This.
 
Also why shorten the header?  
@JP  
Given your point, dropdown isn’t actually fine. Both kinds buttons need to be accessible immediately and dropdown isn’t immediate; there are users using both of them so it’s not possible to decide which one should go “first”.  
I am still of the same opinion: restore the look of previous header except with uploader and upload time switched, THEN make all the changes you want. Instead of attempting to fix something inherently unstable, return to guaranteed stable version and plan your changes from that.
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