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What happened to the 'neigh' button?

l40LVOSm
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@The Smiling Pony
 
It’s not ignoring it. I’m pointing out that it still isn’t fixed. Meanwhile, simply collecting your current data on downvotes and comparing that with tags, then adding that to a default filter, would’ve been done by now and without any ill effects whatsoever. It would also solve your imaginary problem.
 
Everyone could win!
 
Except you want people to lose.
 
Edit: I also like how pointing out you’ve nuked other peoples downvotes just because you (and this is a collective “you” as moderators) disagreed with their choice in downvotes becomes “I have a conspiracy theory”.
 
Then you bring up the fact I was banned from IRC because you got pissy for my disagreeing with you. Also colorfully described to your benefit.
 
To the objective reader: Who brought that up first as a bargaining chip? Him or me? Oh right. Him.
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@Serenade_Acceso_Forza  
This site is not their job. It’s their hobby. Hence, they don’t earn money out of it, so they can only work on it as volunteers. In other words, issues won’t get fixed within a few minutes. Deal with it.  
Except you want people to lose.
 
And what exactly do they gain? Bitching coming from people like you who doesn’t have an ounce of patience, respect, or gratitude?
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@Serenade_Acceso_Forza  
Except that’s a pretty fancy feature that takes a lot more dev time, has been suggested before and is actually planned.
 
In the meantime, this reduces the fact that downvotes are by far and large used by people that downvote content they could filter instead. Is it the perfect solution? Nope, like I’ve said multiple times in this and the other thread, we need to improve the filter system,
 
Having a hissy fit because we’re trying something isn’t anything more than noise while we try to actually fix things.
Pound Cake

@The Smiling Pony  
Well, for a certain interest there was the fact that at least one mod kept nuking my downvotes a while ago. As far as I was told it was due to me downvoting a certain tag, which seems rather odd when apparently people mass downvoting certain things is a rampant issue, but I was specifically targeted.
l40LVOSm
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@The Smiling Pony
 
By far and large? Really? Prove it. Show us the data. Show us the necessity of breaking a function people actually want to use for this mysterious evil boogie man of downvote abusers.
 
You don’t even need to improve the filter system. All you have to do is a one-time default filter based on current data you have. Or are you honestly claiming you can’t do that? Because I see several default filters in my settings list right fucking now you twat.
SocDev
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Well stressed, friend!
@Serenade_Acceso_Forza
 
Nope, lets prevent people from exploiting it by making it harder for them to exploit it. Opening a pic, downvoting and returning to the main page is tedious, yes, but not downright impossible to the common user.
 
Exploiters dont tend to have the patience to do this with every single image, therefore the amount of people who exploits this is reduced with just a minor discomfort. Stop making a mountain out of a bunch of tiny stones, or something.
Werkbau
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@The Smiling Pony
 
 
I don’t know about this ‘Special interest’ so I’m just gonna add other things;
 
Removing neigh and downvote display will cause a shift in the balance of voting. I rather have both since upvotes galore and downvotes galore are going to happen regardless. Besides, user who downvote images have their own reason on their own for specific reasons. I’ve seen some images that are pretty much terrible gets upvoted anyway. It’s two sides of a coin. Can’t have it without the other.
 
I’m assuming mods wanted people to upvote/downvote with more consideration? not just spamming em?
Pound Cake

@The Smiling Pony  
Yes sure, I did that and whatnot, every bit admit it and even told staff look, my bad, you can kill the other account or whatever. However the downvote nukes still occurred even after the ban had ended.
l40LVOSm
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@SocDev
 
So what you’re saying is, it’s “impossible” to make an automated script to target a tag and downvote it?
 
No, wait, that’s stupid. It’s perfectly possible. That’s why an actual abuser wouldn’t be phased at fucking all by this retarded band-aid approach.
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@Werkbau  
The thing is we have all of two users we consistently see upvoting images with little consideration of what they are (and those two know who they are). Meanwhile we have many users that downvote all content they could filter. We have more users that do this than users that use downvotes against trollposts or the like.
l40LVOSm
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@The Smiling Pony
 
You said it was a widespread problem. PRESUMABLY when something is a “problem” that is “widespread” there’s data that provides trends of tags to votes, allowing an easy tabulating of what tags get downvote brigaded unfairly. Then add what tags correlate highest to the ratio of downvote abuse to the default filter.
 
Unless of course, you have no actual data. By the way, I believe my previous post asked for that data. I’m waiting. Shall I quote my own request until you prove the necessity of breaking your own website?
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@Serenade_Acceso_Forza  
I don’t have to present you jack shit, mate. I really don’t. If you don’t like how things are going, you can very well jog on. I’m not going to do any more extra work to please someone I know is a pretentious cretin.
SocDev
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@Serenade_Acceso_Forza
 
I never said that, so please dont put words in my mouth.
 
An actual abuser can and WILL use a script. Someone over the internet bored and just filled with hate for a pairing/fetish who, for some reason does NOT use filters, will find the whole thing harder to do. Therefore, if this person is lazy enough, then the downvotes will lower.
 
And there are a lot of lazy people out there on the internet, just look at the SJWs.
l40LVOSm
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@The Smiling Pony
 
So I call bullshit on breaking your own website, suggest an alternative, and when you claim it’s a significant problem I demand proof.
 
For this, I am a pretentious cretin. Oh, and that proof that you surely must have used to formulate this certainly well planned out strategy is mysteriously not presenting itself.
 
GEE. I WONDER IF I WAS RIGHT?
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@The Smiling Pony  
I’m pretty sure nothing would think ill of you if you just ignore him and move on. Yes, I know you don’t care, I’m just saying.
 
There’s always 1 whiny user who bitch non-stop every time the site changes anyway. Nothing new.
l40LVOSm
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@SocDev
 
Now we’re back to the meat of it. So you don’t want to prevent “actual abuse” - which you now yourself describe as script users (that are entirely unaffected by this) - you want to prevent “Joe Lazy” from downvoting things he doesn’t like instead of filtering them.
 
So…people don’t like what you like…therefore…remove a feature that lets them express that sentiment? Or are you now going to try and make some philosophical argument about how “that’s not feedback”?
Werkbau
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@The Smiling Pony
 
On the second one, Isn’t that the point?! Being able to downvote things we don’t like?
 
This doesn’t make any sense for me…
 
Is it really that widespread? The mass downvoting of their filtered content?
 
 
I just made alot of ?s… >_>
SocDev
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Well stressed, friend!
@The Smiling Pony
 
You dont have to present anything, TSP. @Serenade_Acceso_Forza already showed that he/she believes this whole thing is a conspiracy made to fuckup the entire site so every user suffers and the mods/admins keep swimming in their pools made of gold and filled with green, because fucking up the site is part of their interests.
 
RIGHT.
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@The Smiling Pony
 
Okay, I don’t want to be rude here, but that doesn’t seem like a very good answer. This Serenade dude might be kind of an ass, but he does have a point.
 
Dismissing his argument instead of addressing it, even if it is easier, only makes his argument look stronger.
 
@Serenade_Acceso_Forza
 
As for you, Serenade, I feel that your argument would be taken a bit more seriously if you didn’t feel the need to act so snide, abrasive, and just generally rude. You can criticize people without insulting them.
The Smiling Pony
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Philomena - For helping others attend the 2021 community collab

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@Serenade_Acceso_Forza  
What, you think we have a nice and pretty PDF file ready to hand out? No, it’s months and months of statsd tracking and user monitoring.
 
@Grieffon  
I really wish everyone that used the site were actually on the IRC. They would have seen, and had logs, of what kind of person this is.
 
Plus it’s generally a fun place.
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