Season 6 Episode Discussion [Speculation/Theories/Beware of Spoilers]

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I read this shit?
I’ll have to watch it again but on first viewing I think that was pretty crap.
 
Actually, I liked it early on when Starlight was walking around Ponyville trying to make a friend, it was when Trixie turned up that the wheels started coming off.
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I’m really happy with how Trixie was fleshed out. I was hoping for depth, and she had it - a whole lot of it, if you measure by “things the show has never done before / we didn’t think it’d ever do.”
 
One thing I love is this; is Trixie putting up a false pretense/show when she proclaims her own greatness, or does she actually think she’s so great?
 
I was hoping for the more interesting “she doesn’t,” but instead got an even more interesting “She thinks she thinks she’s great, but deep down she knows she’s not and has crippling self-esteem issues that she covers with her ‘Great and Powerful’ shtick - but doesn’t even seem to know she’s doing that.”
 
Also, I made a post a page ago…
 

 
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Read through pages. Way too many. Started, like, 20 pages back, made it to about 8 pages ago, then was like, “ah heck with it, it’s late and this is taking too long,” so I skipped to about 3 pages ago :q
I don’t normally come around these parts, but dang, did Trixie just attempt suicide?
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I love this idea so much it kind of hurts.
Honestly Glimmer already seems kind of filly-ish, though… I’ve re-written this a number of times and I still can’t find a positive way to word this :q But mentally, she seems kind of like she still is a bit of a filly, to me. The problem is, Pinkie is a very fun-loving, ideal sort of filly. She’s a more “realistic” one that can be… Rather petulant and selfish at times.
…though I would’ve liked it if Celestia actually said something…
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I think she wasn’t really thinking straight up until she launched herself.
Well you know what they say; “The show must go on!”
“Okay, I’m going to die if I don’t do this without my assistant, and my assistant left… The show must go on!”
Stage fright paralyzes. I don’t think anyone but psycopaths don’t experience some sort of increase in awareness/nervousness/anxiety or otherwise adrenaline-related rush when facing a huge crowd. Some love the rush, though, just like some love jumping out of airplanes. In any case, it paralyzes rational thought, so stage performers through the centuries have made “the show must go on.” Otherwise, in a panic, they’d end up cancelling shows for the dumbest reasons that seemed legitimate in their heightened pre-performance state (aka, panic). So they cling to “the show must go on” as a stone of certainty in a chaotic world awash with panic and indecisiveness and fear all around them.
So it’s actually kind of believable, unless ahead of time she’d decided that Starlight dropping would be a real reason to cancel. But she never even considered it, so she clung to decisions made beforehoof. And she wasn’t even thinking clearly earlier, either, what with that emotional moment.
It makes a bit less suicide-y… but isn’t that typically how suicides are done, though? Rarely in a mentally well state?
I really don’t wish badly on ponies, and certainly stand against suicide IRL, but I honestly think it’s kind of neat for fiction to explore. It’s a deep and hard topic, the most cliche’ and overused/widely-known line from all of drama is probably “to be, or not to be?” It strikes deep in a lot of interesting areas. Next response is related:
It was moreso a cry for help than suicide.
Fun fact: if you compare the suicides of men and women, women’s have a much higher chance of failing an attempt. Sometimes, it can almost be like a cry for help as opposed to a legitimate wish for death.
It’s fascinating how it’s easier for Trixie to do something that would kill her, than for her to swallow her own pride and cry and humble herself to somepony for love.
It was easier to die than to face the lonely life of rejection and outcast that she thought she was doomed to.
It was easier to die than to give up her narcissism.
Ironic how the one who screams the loudest about how great she is, is the one who hates her own existence the most.
Anyways, to the main question I came here with… “Did Trixie just attempt suicide?” - actually yes. Well, testing the ropes, so to speak. It was literally, “will she save my life? If she doesn’t, then I’m okay with what happens, but I really hope she does!” It wasn’t a decision made in a right state of mind, but say, if Starlight had left (assuming that Trixie wouldn’t try the stunt without her), then it would’ve been suicide all the same.
 
Though heavens’ knows most people will tl;dr it… :<
 
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I never thought I’d see a beloved MLP try to commit suicide in an episode, and have it be played for drama. I’m surprised the show staff’s twitter feeds didn’t explode after that.
 
It was Trixie’s idea to want to do such a dangerous stunt, but it was Starlight who convinced her that she could survive it with help. And it was horrible of Trixie to use her new friend to try to hurt Twilight, but after possibly losing her only friend and realizing what she had done, Trixie sounded like she really didn’t care what happened anymore.
 
The whole episode and sequence of events leading up to the ending was a clusterfunk, but it succeeded in making me feel, and I thought it was entertaining. If all three of the main characters didn’t have so many issues, it probably wouldn’t have happened in quite the same way.
 
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This one might be my second most disliked episode of the show. I’ll need to give it some time to settle and a re-watch after that, but it’s not looking good.
 
I found Starlight’s attempts at making friends amusing, but it felt like it was killing time and relied a lot on awkward humor to carry it. The rest of the episode really didn’t hold any surprises for me, I knew exactly where they were going, and they weren’t places I wanted to go. I felt more like I was watching a stock story for any other show with the FiM cast simply find/replaced into the script; events between the characters felt like they happened because that’s what the script said happened next instead of it feeling like a natural chain of events with the characters and the setting. The moral felt confused, Starlight was owed an apology from Trixie that she never got, and while I found Celestia’s annoyance at her situation with Twilight kind of funny, it was more unsettling on the whole and felt out of character for her.
 
On top of everything, I got this strange irritation with how the episode was written from the start to the end that I’m having trouble describing.
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I guess I expect her to take things in good humor most of the time. I don’t really picture her wearing her serious face much if the situation is not actually serious.
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I don’t think I’ve seen an episode split the fandom this much in a while. I’m in the loved it side, I completely agree with DrWolf’s review of the episode saying that all three wasn’t in the right, but wasn’t completely in the wrong either.
 
Trixie did just become friends with Starlight just to 1-up Twilight at first, but ended up truly likely Starlight as a friend. Starlight was in the wrong for not telling Twilight that she wasn’t coming to dinner and while Twilight was right about Trixie, she still shouldn’t have tried and pick and choose friends for Starlight.
 
I liked that each character showed flaws in this episode. I really don’t see any character being “out of character” here.
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@Cirrus Light  
Believe it or not, I was the one who came up with the idea of Starlight as a ponified Anthony Fremont. Speaking personally, I think it works better than the angle they went with.
 
There really is no “positive” way to describe it: Starlight Glimmer is a womanchild, pure and simple.
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Things I had no problems with:  
Trixie in general  
Implied suicidal thoughts  
Applejack (ironically) silently glaring at Starlight Glimmer to get her to change her brother back to being a quiet one-dimensional gag
 
Things I had problems with:  
Trixie still trying to out-do Twilight in some capacity and being a smug (explitive)  
Starlight Glimmer and her interactions with the mane 6 (and other ponies like Mrs. Cake and Big Mac) before meeting Trixie  
Twilight Sparkle in general  
Twilight Sparkle acting covertly hostile to Trixie despite parting on good terms in Magic Duel  
Princess Celestia’s wordless annoyance used as a gag  
Princess Celestia not getting any dialogue other than “annoyed sigh”  
DJ-Pwn3 and Muffins, it reeks of overtly trying to win back the brony contingent  
The entire manticore muff mouth dive scene in general
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Well given that she’s at a dinner to have her pupil flat out lie to her face and invite 3 others who clearly have no business being here while she has other things to do…
 
I’d be pretty damn pissed as well.
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I read this shit?
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I’m just amazed that so many people have opinions on this that are polar opposites.
 
Unless my opinion of this ep improves when I watch it again (which I doubt) I’ll probably consider this a genuine stinker. Which would be a first for me (to come down on this side of the argument with a divisive episode).
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Twilight seems like the Scrappy of this episode. It’s pretty amusing because I can’t say she was OOC here. It’s just her flaws were blown out of proportion and people are actually starting to realize that these flaws didn’t fit their perception of their version of her character.
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At least there are things to look at if you put on shipping goggles.  
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I can see where most people are coming with their complaints towards NSP, but something I really dont get is everyone’s opinions on Twilight.
 
I mean, you got a group of people saying that Twilight was fine and just had character flaws, whereas you have another group of people saying that she was a complete idiot in how she was handled.  
Now I’m not saying that people shouldn’t have their own opinions, but this is really confusing me. Either she was in character or she was out of character.
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