Season 6 Episode Discussion [Speculation/Theories/Beware of Spoilers]

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I should, could, and would be asleep. But just imagine if Twilight was the only unicorn with a special talent in magic, and never got wings.
 
People probably would have been pretty happy then. Throw in some more Trixie episodes and you’ve got a perfect series.
 
Maybe some sort of competitive balance or late season power boost so that Vinyl Scratch and Octavia, Carrot Pony and Derpy Hooves, and two other fan favorites would be roughly equal to the mane 6. Or heck, even the CMC and friends.
 
That just leaves balancing the griffons, changelings, dragons, and uh.. Crystal ponies.
 
The more powers you put in a series the harder it is to keep stuff around the same level.
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The first thing I would rectify in the show’s broken magic lore would be to remove “special talent in magic it’self” and “Twilight/Twiclone are endlessly better than everyone at magic”.
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Speaking of which, over on EQD Sethisto has been doing this week’s Followup, yknow, those not-reviews that have fun gags? For fun I’ve once again dropped my sanity-protecting NoScript filters to see what was being said… some are chewing him out for having an opinion that isn’t pure praise.
Freaking Sethisto, which has been the figurehead of oblivious optimism for years now, is being considered a hater by… I dunno what to call them anymore… cultists?
I guess the inmates are running the asylum now. I’m just gonna re-enable NoScript and consider EQD’s comment section to be NSFL territory, because hot damn is it reaching Eldritch Abomination-levels of insanity in there.
Are you talking about that one person making a lengthy comment that lead to a discussion about if and/or how Twilight has changed since becoming an alicorn? Because a good portion of the response to that (after the initial wall of text comment that prompted him to respond) looked like relatively straightforward conversation related to his comments about how Starlight may have taken over the role Twilight once occupied.
 
Other than that, I didn’t see a lot of chewing out. Just some people discussing Starlight, expressing their likes and dislikes of the episode… you know, pretty much the same thing that happened here.
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Okay, I guess.
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Before of that Silver Quill was bashed and harrased too, for not praising FiM like he should.
 
This is what happens when you enable your userbase to go with their bad behavior for years nonstop.
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I’ve been ignoring that guy for a long time, I can only read a few words out of his insane walls of text before all the nonsense forces me to stop. Twilight fans, man…. at least RD fans tend to be teenagers which vocabulary only includes “Awesome” and it’s synonyms, those are.. something else entirely. Geez…
 
I saw Sethisto answer to his obsession, and that was enough for me to know that things would reach critical levels of crazy pretty soon.
 
Nah, what I’m thinking about are the “bulldogs” running around, constantly picking on anyone daring to criticize the show like it’s their Divine Duty to protect and serve the Omnissiah MLP G4. With all the barking they do, it’s not long before you realize that whoever is posting the followup is going to get bitten as a result.
 
Anyways, it’s clear the place is affecting me. It truly is the worst of the worst, lax moderation and posts that are biased, filled with buzzwords and meant to rile up the masses into verbal mosh pits. I’m done with it, for good this time. Thought about just going there for news, but the clickbait is just too strong. It’s time I change, cause that website certainly won’t.
alekpo

I’m sure people are sick and tired of my comparisons to the Dexter series, but…
Starlight is just as damaging to the series as Hannah was
  1. Both came late into the series as villains, only to befriend the protagonist.
  2. Both did some pretty damn shady stuff before, and only faced minor consequences as a result.
  3. Both were initially vulnerable, but eventually got a serious case of Plot Armoring, gaining the same “powers” a main character has to negate all suspense of them being in serious danger, essentially becoming impossible to get rid of, and never truly going away no matter what.
  4. Both eventually became just as proficient as the main character, acting as their equal, neither being fully trusted, but with little effect on the plot as they’re just so good at avoiding their deserved fate. They’d pop up whenever the writers felt like reminding us of their awesomeness.
And now:
  1. Both eventually took over the supposed main character’s role after they couldn’t do so anymore. With Dexter, the series ended shamefully as a result and will not be getting a spinoff, sparing us from more bullshit. I have a feeling MLP won’t be so kind.
Dexter fans ARE on the most part blaming Hannah as one of the reasons it all went to shit. When will the similarities end?
 
yeah the same thing happened in Grimm, they added a couple of new characters and the resulting interaction between the rest of the characters took over the main plot of exploring this new fantasy world, plus the new characters where so op that made Nick look not so much as the hero but a background character. it seems like a fad of the new series writers now.  
im still waiting for the damned story arch to go back to nick finding new kinds of monsters :-(
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I wouldn’t say she’s evil, but she definitely shouldn’t be let running loose with her power.
It wouldn’t be so bad if there were a few more episodes more (or if she even showed up in the background… she’s never in any episode that doesn’t focus directly on her), but no, this was the last episode to improve her character before the finale and it really failed. We’re going into an hour with Starlight as the hero, and given the trend of finales, it’ll end with some permanent change to her. The new heir to the Element of Magic and the others with her the heirs to the rest? Wings? Something else?
If only we had another season more to flesh her out, or if the episodes revolving around her didn’t almost all royally suck, then it wouldn’t be so bad. But I have a feeling this is going to be the most divisive finale for FiM ever.
 
well its a kids show and its fleshing out characters more than other adult shows already, but i think the need we feel of her character getting more background put into it comes from how well she was written as the main villain before… what she did was so well put together that felt so creepy and wrong, plus she didnt seemed to have any doubt on her mind. and then 15 minutes later she drops all of her evilness and becomes as good as the rest of the cast?  
im blaming all of this drama on bad writing… u cant enslave a whole town and brain wash them, try to do the same to one of the alicorns and then say u really sorry and be over whit it.  
maybe they should choose a lead writer to do all of the episodes of the main story arch?
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I’m sure people are sick and tired of my comparisons to the Dexter series, but…
Starlight is just as damaging to the series as Hannah was
  1. Both came late into the series as villains, only to befriend the protagonist.
  2. Both did some pretty damn shady stuff before, and only faced minor consequences as a result.
  3. Both were initially vulnerable, but eventually got a serious case of Plot Armoring, gaining the same “powers” a main character has to negate all suspense of them being in serious danger, essentially becoming impossible to get rid of, and never truly going away no matter what.
  4. Both eventually became just as proficient as the main character, acting as their equal, neither being fully trusted, but with little effect on the plot as they’re just so good at avoiding their deserved fate. They’d pop up whenever the writers felt like reminding us of their awesomeness.
And now:
  1. Both eventually took over the supposed main character’s role after they couldn’t do so anymore. With Dexter, the series ended shamefully as a result and will not be getting a spinoff, sparing us from more bullshit. I have a feeling MLP won’t be so kind.
Dexter fans ARE on the most part blaming Hannah as one of the reasons it all went to shit. When will the similarities end?
 
Agreed. this hits it right on the nail.
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MLP generally isn’t a show about power levels. It just isn’t. For all Twi’s power, the conflicts she faces aren’t about how strong she is. (Having the power of ALL the alicorns in equestria didn’t defeat Tirek for instance.) So far, the same has held true for Starlight to me.
 
For all her power it didn’t help her make friends. For all her power it didn’t keep her from totally missing the point Twi was trying to make with her lessons.
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The same reason you’d have anything else unnecessary? Just giving further stuff for the characters outside of what’s exactly needed for the plot.
 
Or just to give people something fun to look at.
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MLP generally isn’t a show about power levels. It just isn’t. For all Twi’s power, the conflicts she faces aren’t about how strong she is. (Having the power of ALL the alicorns in equestria didn’t defeat Tirek for instance.) So far, the same has held true for Starlight to me.
For all her power it didn’t help her make friends. For all her power it didn’t keep her from totally missing the point Twi was trying to make with her lessons.
 
 
the problem is, since alot of fans have been clamoring for this sort of thing, they kind of have to confront DOING those kinds of episodes every so often: look at guardians of harmony for example, they wouldn’t be making that toyline if they didn’t realize there was a demand for that sort of thing. (or look at how they gave the seven of them super powers in LOE)  
And when you have two characters who are essentially God level, it kind of runs your ability to use any of the other characters.
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@gingerninja666  
It’s not all about who is more powerful but when a select few characters are given powers vastly greater than anyone else, they become the only ones who can contribute significantly to major stories and if you want to give other characters the spotlight you have to make up excuses to keep the powerful characters away. Hence why the map did not send Twilight to Griffonstone or to Manehatten to help Coco revive the theater. Twilight would have quickly solved the problems with magic and nobody would have learned anything.
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Hell, that’s one thing I actually have to give the EQG series props for is that instead of her “normal” power levels, twilight only has telekinesis in the EQG universe to try and keep her more level.
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The Map was a S5 plot device to compromise between Twilight embracing her role as the Hammer of Friendship yet not allowing her to hijack the spotlight from every single episode with her superpowerful magic, a change from S4’s damage controlley decision to keep her in the background and downright ignore what happened to her due to know knowing how to make it work for anything but premieres and finales.
 
Now that we’ve got yet another superpower on the show, one that can’t be as easily handwaved as Discord (“He didn’t feel like saving the day”), the map’s both feeling outdated and no longer effective at what it was meant to do. DHX needs to introduce another game-changing method of limiting the impact of ridiculously powerful spellcasters, fast, or else Equestria’s depth is going to end up even more shallow than it already is.
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@kleptomage  
“Twilight would have quickly solved the problems with magic and nobody would have learned anything.”
 
Doesn’t that show that raw magical power isn’t everything? It shows that just a bunch of magic can’t solve everything. That at times a bunch of magic is actually detrimental to helping things.
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Bringing up Twilight’s power in Made in MAnehattan was pretty smart honestly. Because it shows that the cast are aware and don’t begrudge Twi her power, but also because it demonstrates the type of conflicts the show tends to favour to a tee. It didn’t MATTER if Twi instantly solved the situation. It wouldn’t have fixed the real problem. The real problem had nothing to do with magic and power levels. If anything it would’ve made it worse by making the manehattanites feel even more like there was nothing they could do to contrubute. That’s not an excuse. That’s the story being told.
 
This isn’t DBZ. XD
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Dammit! Just got done watching “Every Little Thing She Does”. How much more magical gifted are the writers going to make Starlight??! There’s been more variety of powerful magic from her than every other character combined in all seasons… excluding Discord perhaps.
Sighs, I wish someone would break her horn or something. At least put some limits on what she’s able to do. Either that, or Twilight it’s well it’s going to be completely redundant. At this point star lights even outshining the royal sisters and every other magic user in a question.
Hell, at this point I will not be surprised if the writers reveal her to be more powerful than Starswirl the Bearded. Outstripping ever unicorn any Equestrian history or any alicorn.
 
ikr?  
And then Big Jim comes with superman syndrome for Celestia. >.>
 
I believe by now that Glimmer hides her wings by superior stealth magic.
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The way a lot of these posts read, it honestly sounds like people think that just because Twi CAN hammer the country into submission with raw magical force, that she should entirely BECAUSE she can, and the only solution is that she shouldn’t be ABLE to. Not that she never will because of things like morals.
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since alot of fans have been clamoring for this sort of thing
 
But brony pandering is supposed to be a bad thing. They should keep powerlevel nonsense where it belongs: out of the show and in fanfics.
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