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She’s not really much of a mastermind who thinks everything through. She directly caused her own defeat by leading Twilight to Cadance, banishing her there when she’d already broken her spirit, and she had her back turned before Cadance and Shining Armor unleashed something that defeated her.

The second time, she pretty much caught everyone napping.

She was surprised she could beat Celestia with her temporary power boost from stolen love.

She was almost done in by Mean Twilight, too.
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So what? He gave Tirek power of about 30 background ponies (who are shown to not be very magical), He brought Sombra back, nothing being said about ressurecting him from the dead, and breaking into and out of Tartarus is a breeze in equestria.
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I’m not sure what demonstrations of power people want from Grogar. He definitely feels stronger than all of the villain trio. By a significant amount.
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She managed to actually get everyone imprisoned without anyone noticeing. That’s a real Mastermind.

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To be brutally honest, I’d rather keep Queen and Tirek’s "glory" of being a great antagonist, then give it to Grogar.
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Like, casting magic from the outside into the building and pulling someone out? There’s absolutely no evidence that you can just do that with Tartarus.

Being able to open the front door is not the same as being miles away in a bog somewhere and casually plucking a bunch of people from it.
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Makes sense for Grogar to be written as a character who uses the others as decoys to draw attention to them until he’s finally ready to attack and take everyone by surprise, because nobody except his goons knew about his existence and much less knew about how to stop him.
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Bloody Cozy Glow was able to go in and out to consult Tirek about her plans to conquer Equestria, so I wouldn’t put it past it that "leaving that place" is difficult, even getting others out shouldn’t be hard.
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Then how the hell would he be able to contact her? If she personally never went in there, then she had to "magically" have to exchange letters or something. Which would prove that Tartarus isn’t magic proof.


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Which is why next time she gave that to Changelings, who did that much better. At least, in a passable way.
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Semi related, but there’s a funny fic about Derpy being a Changeling spy who sent all kinds of bad intel to Chrysalis about Cadance, which explained why her impersonation act was spotted by Twilight.
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She wrote Tirek letters. At least, that’s what they claim happened. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s lying and some other magic device was used instead.
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Then it proves that teleporting items is "rather easy" (if Cozy was able to do that) in and out of Tartarus. If items are no problem, living organisms wouldn’t be difficult too.
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She was in close with Twilight and we see that she was in charge of managing Twilight’s letters going in and out of the school. It’s my belief she was using Twi’s seal and her desk to write letters to Tartarus.

But regardless, the options are either "Cozy walked into Tartarus whenever she wanted." which the episode shows you can’t just do. Or "the system by which letters are delivered to prisoners is really lax". Both are bad, but the latter is supported more by the episode.
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To be clear, I think Chrysalis does have above average intelligence… but she has an enormous ego that makes her think she’s more intelligent than she thinks she is.

Queen Chrysalis: How many holidays do you ponies have? No matter. Getting into the castle won’t be a problem.
Lord Tirek: Are you sure about that?


Tirek was the one that incited anything resembling caution, in this case, because he noticed the defenses before anyone else.
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A guy. Who almost conquered whole Equestria beating even mane 6 and princess Twilight (with the power of other princesses) would be allowed to get unchecked mail from unknown outsiders? That would make ponies look even dumber.
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