Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only]

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I liked it. Octavia was 11/10 best vice headmare, but okay we’ll go with Sunburst I guess. I feel kinda bad for Trixie, she really does mean well, she just has a massive ego that prevents her from realizing when she’s doing more harm than good. Overall, a solid 8.5/10
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  1. A Horse Shoe In
     
  2. Between Dark and Dawn
     
  3. Student Counsel
     
  4. Frenemies
     
  5. The Summer Sun Setback
     
  6. Sparkle’s Seven
     
  7. That’s A Laugh
     
  8. 2,4,6, Greaaat
     
  9. The Point of No Return
     
  10. A Trivial Problem
     
  11. The Last Crusade
     
  12. Common Ground
     
  13. She talks to Angel
     
  14. Dragon Dropped
     
  15. Sweet and Smoky
     
  16. She’s All Yak
     
  17. The Beginning of the End
     
  18. Going to Seed
     
  19. Uprooted
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Pretty good for being the last Starlight/Trixie episode. It dragged in some places but was overall a great showcase for the both of their characters.
 
GREAT:
 
  1. Sparkle’s Seven  
  2. Between Dark and Dawn  
  3. Frenemies  
    ––––––––––––––––  
    GOOD:
     
  4. The Beginning of the End  
  5. The Summer Sun Setback  
  6. Going to Seed  
  7. She Talks to Angel  
    8. A Horse Shoe-In  
  8. She’s All Yak  
    ———————————  
    OKAY:
     
  9. The Last Laugh  
  10. The Point of No Return  
  11. A Trivial Pursuit  
  12. Student Counsel  
  13. Sweet and Smoky  
  14. The Last Crusade  
  15. Common Ground  
    ——————————  
    AVERAGE:
     
  16. Dragon Dropped  
  17. Uprooted  
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    BAD:
     
  18. 2, 4, 6, Greaaat
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>Spends the entire episode showing the dangers of nepotism.
 
>Embraces it doubly at the end.
 
>Features a callback to the worst episode in the series, bringing the total of yak contributions to pony society down to a negative level now that this shit is being seen as anything other than a tool of death and despair.
 
Eh. It was decent enough, yet again a Starlight episode ends up being a bastion of quality in a season that’s being bogged down by bucket list episodes and shoddy writing to tie up loose ends, as next week will show once again.
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That episode was mediocrity at it’s finest. It doesn’t do anything exceptionally well, but it doesn’t also mess with anything important. It’s the exactly right level of “alright” that I really liked it.
 
The only con I could find about this episode is that I really didn’t like the “School Trip” scene with Doctor Whooves. Episode 100th was a bit much with making him to be not-The Doctor, but it still was alright. This one seems to be pushing the idea that he is just a regular crazy scientist even furthert. The kind that would put kids on an improvized electric chair. Granted, this scene could be done a bit better if the performance of the Doctor would be a bit more “Doctor-ish”. He seemed a bit too “emotional” for that, which is the only thing I can nitpick about.
 
There is also the fact that it seems like the writters forgot that Trixie was a pretty good sub teacher in A Matter Of Principals (if not for discord), so I’m not really sure why she is portrayed as a complete mistake in this episode. I guess it’s only proving my theory that none of the writters actually watch the previous episodes of the show.
 
Also, Sunburst. Why do we need to see him again? Nobody in thier right mind would put such asshole (Trivial Problem) on the possition of a Vice Headmare. That attitude alone would make him completly unfitting for the job, as this would mean he would also fail the second test that Starlight made. It’s especially wierd, since at this point, it seems like his mother would be much better Vice Headmare (planning skills, charisma and with the help of Starlight’s Dad, she could be a pretty good History teacher).
 
Also, I really don’t understand the inclusion of Octavia in the episode. She was interested in the job, passed every test but then leaves at the end of the episode. She was written so perfectly into this story, that it feels like a complete waste to leave her out like this. It’s not even a scene, but she is just mentoined to have quit the job. That’s a really horrible waste of something which could have work out so well.
 
Besides that, it was an alright episode. Nothing exceptionally good nor bad. It’s prefectly re-watchable, tough Trixie is getting annoying at times. I look forward to what we will see next week.
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Is it just me, or did the climax and ending feel like A Matter Of Principals? Anything that reminds me of that abortion of an episode isn’t a good thing, but at least I’ll give it credit that Trixie was competent unlike Discord.
 
And honestly, even though this is her last episode, I’m sick and tired of this formula that they give to Starlight and her episodes: “Starlight is miserable about some outcome, she reaches her breaking point and calls someone out for it, she starts to feel regret for it, she admits that she was in the wrong and apologizes to those who didn’t deserve an apology really, lather rinse and repeat”. At first I found that pretty relatable I’ll admit but now it really wore out its welcome and it’s starting to bug me. I get it, she’s not this perfect little angel who acts impulsively cause it’s part of her character, but does she have to always get knocked down a peg? The fact that they had to end her character arc with this formula just brings disappointment to me.
 
But I just want to remain optimistic and say that despite that, I still enjoyed the rest of the episode so I don’t want to be a Debbie Downer.
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Second best episode of a really, really underwhelming season (Frenemies being the best). Last couple of seasons the Starlight episodes have generally been the best.
 
 
@AWGear  
Also, Sunburst. Why do we need to see him again? Nobody in thier right mind would put such asshole (Trivial Problem) on the possition of a Vice Headmare.
 
I think that you’re forgetting that he apologized for getting too competitive, didn’t act like that in other episodes, and literally acted the same way as Twilight (the person who runs the entire school up until this point).
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Of course, and even after all that, people still act as if nothing had changed since Every Little Thing She Does.
 
 
@RaineV1  
Also, Sunburst. Why do we need to see him again? Nobody in thier right mind would put such asshole (Trivial Problem) on the possition of a Vice Headmare.
I think that you’re forgetting that he apologized for getting too competitive, didn’t act like that in other episodes, and literally acted the same way as Twilight (the person who runs the entire school up until this point).
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Sunburst was done dirty by Twilight getting Cranky disqualified, &, thus, him by extension, simply out of an obsessive desire to push a win streak rather than any legitimate concern for the rules. He was no more of an asshole than she was. Discounting that, we all know intense competition brings out a different side of an individual, and relatively speaking, this was very relaxed. Also, Sunburst’s mom as a Friendship School teacher could spell a lot of high-strung students.
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At first I found that pretty relatable I’ll admit but now it really wore out its welcome and it’s starting to bug me. I get it, she’s not this perfect little angel who acts impulsively cause it’s part of her character, but does she have to always get knocked down a peg? The fact that they had to end her character arc with this formula just brings disappointment to me.
 
Looks like two seasons of being put on a pedestal and shown to be this infallible paragon that only fails upwards and never has to face actual consequences for her actions doesn’t leave much room for positive character growth in the future. Starlight has effectively reached the “decay” part of her character arc, but in her case at least there’s themes left to explore and have fun with. ¯*(ツ)*/¯
 
AJ fans had to suffer through this since season 2. Eeeyup.
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That’s not the point though.
 
I’m just really irritated that they had to use this same idea for her episodes in order for her to learn some type of lesson where because it’s been used so much, it loses any effectiveness that it’s supposed to teach. Even if she starts to win some fans from this, it won’t change the fact that her episodes are almost all the same. It worked in Every Little Thing She Does because it was her fault and the other five were innocent throughout, it worked in Road To Friendship because she willingly traded Trixie’s wagon without consulting her about it and it somewhat worked in The Parent Map because both her and Sunburst really didn’t get the thought of talking it out and negotiating with their parents despite Stellar and Firelight being guilty as well. In other episodes there really isn’t an excuse and she didn’t need to apologize at all.
 
That’s what bugs me about this and I feel like she should’ve deserved new ideas for her episodes, her detractors be damned.
 
@rdibp  
Oh that I’ll agree wholeheartedly.
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I don’t think that’s what “put on a pedestal” means if you use it that way. It also depends on what you mean by “consequences” because no two punishments are the same and you can say that she has learned throughout to grow and expand as a character, and no I don’t think her character is “decaying”.
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Ya, I agree he acted the same way as Twilight (as both of thier characters were ruined in the “Trivial Problem”). But, you know, that episode is Cannon. It’s a part of thier cannon personality, so it should be taken to concideration in this episode too. This could spell disaster if there would ever be some sort of competition between schools in equestria, as putting someone like that in charge of preparation could lead to students being treated really harshly. We saw how Sunburst and Twilight get affected in competitions (*especially since there was no prize in Triva Competition!) so if there was any sort of prize for such contest, we can easily assume that they would act the exact same way, if not worse.
 
The fact that he apologized for something doesn’t change anything. Twilight apologized for freaking out in Lesson Zero, and that didn’t stop her from freaking out. It’s a part of thier character, not something that you can easily get rid of with simple apology.
 
Also, Stellar Flare’s nature could be a bit overbearing to more shy and nervous Students, but I don’t think it would be as bad you may think. Stellar’s “overbearing” behavious came from her care for Sunburst’s future, so it’s safe to assume that even if she was a bit of a strict vice-headmare, it would be out of geniue concern for the students and thier future.
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Okay, I guess.
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The offcial pony Manga made very clear that the Doctor Hooves from the show is definitely not a Doctor-Doctor, but at the same time it introduced his alt universe equivalent, who IS a Doctor-Doctor pony, all down to being a time traveler with his own Tardis, his own nemesis (The Master) and speaks using David Tennant’s Doctor speak.
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Ya, and that’s why I love the Official Manga, and the Doctor Whooves it contains.
 
But it still puzzles me how the writters of comics and the manga can write characters in a much better way than those working on the show. Doctor Whooves, King Sombra are just some of the examples which are written in much better way in the other media.
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