Starlight Glimmer- What is the opinion of her still?

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I don’t think Starlight is the writer’s pet or that she’s part of some conspiracy. I think something much simpler is going on.
 
First, you have to talk about the show’s ambition as time went on.
 
Season 1 was originally intended to be an episodic show without much continuity. It teased The Gala, but it just sort of happened at the end of the season.
 
Season 2 established some new stuff, but the season itself had little to no payoff.
 
Season 3 had the first inkling of an arc, by setting something up and building up to it. It also had the characters actually advance their goals for the first time since Season 1.
 
Season 4 was boatloads more ambitious, with a big, 9-part story arc that explored The Elements more deeply and advanced The Mane Six’s goals. Sadly, the actual exploration of The Elements didn’t yield very much.
 
Season 5 gave us a more ideologically-motivated villain, and explored the theme of moving past uncertainty or hardships, which was reincorporated in the season finale. It also wrapped up the arcs of Luna and Diamond Tiara.
 
Seasons 5 and 6 expanded the world, establishing the Yaks, and giving us more information on the Griffons, the Dragons and the Changelings.
 
Season 6 had Starlight undergo a character arc where she compensates for her lack of confidence in interacting with others with magic, until the finale strips her of her magic and forces her to co-operate with others.
 
Seasons 6 and 7 wrapped up the arcs of those in The Mane Six that had them, and established new character directions for them.
 
Season 7 used Starlight to explore the idea of conviction, while also using a number of different characters to explore a theme of transitioning to a new stage in life. It also fleshed out other pre-existing characters, and gave us the Pillars of Equestria arc.
 
So needless to say, the show has gotten a lot more ambitious since it first started. And therein lies the secret. The show started out a lot less ambitious, and a lot more episodic. For an episodic show, you want static characters; i.e. characters that don’t change a great deal; so that you can always have the same personalities to work with. They might apply previous lessons they’d learned, but other than Twilight in episodes 1 and 2, wouldn’t really undergo character arcs. They had goals, but those were “someday” goals, that would probably be achieved in an epilogue when the show finally ended.
 
The Mane Six’s goals have several problems. First of all, with the exception of Fluttershy, and Twilight during the series premier, none of the characters have to undergo a whole lot of change to reach their goals. Rarity is a skilled dressmaker, and it was only a matter of time before the world took notice. Rainbow Dash was already the best flier in Equestria, and has demonstrated leadership qualities, so her getting into The Wonderbolts was also only a matter of time. People were speculating that Twilight would become an alicorn as early as Season 1.
 
The other problem is the lack of a way to gauge character progress. Rarity had been chugging along, then Boom! She can open a boutique in Canterlot. A season goes by and Boom! She opens one in Manehattan. Now she’s got a fashion empire. Same thing with Twilight, Rainbow Dash, and Fluttershy. There’s not really a concrete sense of progression until they just tell us the character has progressed.
 
Enter Starlight Glimmer. Starlight had the luxury of being established into a much richer and better-defined universe than The Mane Six. She was also built from the ground up to take advantage of how ambitious the show had gotten. Where the Mane Six were written to be static, she was written to be more dynamic. With the way she’s constructed, the writers can show a more nuanced character change by modulating how frequently and how intensely her flaws manifest. This has led to her character arc having more clearly-defined stages. They would go even further with Tempest Shadow, by representing her growth with a recurring motif.
 
Going back to Season 7 and Conviction. Celestial advice sets up the theme by having Twilight and Celestia share the doubts they had as teachers. All Bottled Up has Starlight learning the importance of speaking out. A Royal Problem has Starlight going with her gut and it paying off. To Change A Changeling has Starlight going with her gut, but not thinking things through starts to catch up with her. Then in Shadow Play, she’s putting a lot more thought into potential consequences, and she more readily speaks up about her doubts.
 
It’s not perfect, but it’s the sort of nuanced character progression you can’t really get with static characters. And while Elements like Kindness, Honesty, Loyalty and Generosity are all themes you could absolutely spend multiple episodes across a season exploring, the show kind of kneecapped that potential by having them already be the embodiment of these elements. Four out of six times, they had to introduce a new character to give us a more nuanced look at the element in question.
 
In conclusion, I don’t think she’s the writers’ pet. The Mane Six and Starlight are just products of different eras of the show’s run, and as a project takes on a life of its own, people will develop more powerful and specialized tools to better tackle it.
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Yknow, I can get behind that. Kinda like how new characters in universes like DBZ and Naruto are almost always inherently matching the heroes in power and skill no matter how far they’ve trained, with those introduced without the means to catch up being left in the dust. The mane 6 being constantly stuck in the sidelines is merely a side effect of the short-term focus the series had during most of it’s run, with the next season being confirmed way into production.
 
See, the hope here is that now that we’re seeing more long-term stuff such as the Pillars being introduced for the next season, the staff will be able to understand that there’s a problem to fix, and will damn FIX IT. The S8 animatic does give off the impression that they aren’t, though.
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@Goobington  
The problem lies with the fact that it’s a slice of life with little continuity with nods, than the series premieres and finales. It’s an interesting format but I hope the show evolves beyond it. It tried to already in season 4, then diminished in season 5, and was mostly gone by season 6. Now they brought it back again with season 7.
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There’s always going to be a problem with “fixing the show”: Hasbro.
 
The series is meant to be pleasant entertainment that will entice little kids to ask their parents to buy them toys. As such, Hasbro has an incentive to keep things pretty much at the status quo. Honestly, the show has taken the Mane 6 about as far as it dares in terms of character development. Anything more will require either real changes for them to face or else just reboot and have a new cast.
 
Think about poor Twilight after her ascension. She moped around for an entire series being Princess of Golden Oaks Library until they literally blew up the status quo and gave her the Castle Playset to live in, along with a magical table to replace Princess Celestia’s orders to her. Then she moped around the playset for a season in between meeting Starlight and facing her in her revenge plot. There was barely anything for her to do while the staff focused on episodes with more unusual pairings.
 
And then Starlight was promoted to main character, and suddenly Twilight had a whole new job and purpose. She becomes teacher/friend/big sister/foster mom to a really troubled and neurotic unicorn, and the status quo was once again broken. They needed Starlight to be as powerful as she is because they wanted a finale which would require Twilight to do something more than just hit her with the rainbow laser of friendship. Rather than think up some way to nerf her powers for the episode, they just presented her with someone who was essentially a funhouse mirror version of herself. Someone who felt totally justified in promoting their own version of harmony, and who had to be stopped with reason and compassion.
 
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed her addition to the cast, and never understood why so many fans feel a need to demand that she face some sort of terrible punishment. She’s somehow managed to be a charismatic and fun character on her own while making Twilight interesting again. I think most of the best episodes of the last couple of seasons have focused on new characters who aren’t the Same Old 6.
 
I am kind of surprised that we’re even getting a season 8, since I was sure that Hasbro would use the movie as an opportunity to close the book on Gen 4 and start work on a new series with new characters. Still, I look forward to where the staff take the show now. The world of FiM and its cast are now so much larger, and there’s tons of material yet to be explored.
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I think I speak for all viewers when I say people want Starlight to be punished, simply because she was NEVER punished to begin with. The sheer size of her rap sheet alone is enough to make any authority cringe and haul her off as soon as they can, but due to being a writer’s pet, she’s favored above everything else in the world and is made to be a perfect angel that can do no harm. Well, she’s literally done the exact opposite since season five, and low and behold, she hasn’t learned so much as a damn thing.
 
She’s slowly but steadily been causing more and more problems, just by existing, and unlike Discord or Trixie, she still does the same exact bullshit by abusing her magic to such catastrophic levels, it completely offsets just about everything and everyone around her. Her assault against so many ponies-especially since she went and did it to three different princesses by now-goes entirely unpunished, and instead, she’s put into situations where all she does is ruin the tension, be forced to speak about things she has no right to talk about, make problems go from bad to worse, and even cause other characters to constantly look bad, just so she can look good at all.
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You know when watching her i get the feeling she can’t even be inconvenienced unless she brings it on herself for something really petty.
 
By default, alot of problems in this show could be seen as petty, but Starlight seems to have bought out that venue, so to speak.
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To change a changeling and It isn’t the mane thing about you both show that she can be brought low whenever the plot needs it to happen. She can’t do shit with Rare’s mane. She suddenly can’t stop a Maulworth?
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Still, her skills were arbitrarily not up to snuff because the plot needed it. The mane thing is apparently that manes are “tricky”, not impossible. So Twi and Star are simply not at a strong enough level to manage it. =P
 
In general though, the characters are their own worst enemies in this show. 9 times out of 10 a conflict is about a character fucking themselves over.
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@DarkStars  
Okay, real talk. You’ve got to stop using absolute statements like “all” or “never”. Because if there’s even a single counterexample, then your entire argument falls apart.
 
I think I speak for all viewers when I say people want Starlight to be punished, simply because she was NEVER punished to begin with.
 
You’re making an all-encompassing statement, then following it up with a weasel word like “people”. If there’s even a single viewer you don’t speak for (like me), or if Starlight has been punished even once (which she has), then your entire argument falls apart.
 
You’re not obligated to reply to or even read my posts. But when the thread went dead for four days, I revived it with a massive post offering an explanation of why Starlight is used and how she’s developed as a character, and instead of addressing or even acknowledging any of the points, you just re-post your standard complaints about Starlight, it really looks like you’re deliberately ignoring things that don’t fit your worldview.
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@Goobington  
First, that miserable excuse for a punishment that was immediately given up on in Every Little Thing She Does doesnt count as a punishment. They didn’t bother keeping with it longer than a few seconds, and it didn’t stick with her at all, based on how things go later in the show.
 
Second, I may not verbally acknowledge what you have to say most of the time, but that doesn’t mean I don’t pay attention to what you say as a whole. The problem isn’t the concepts behind Starlight, it’s the execution being horribly done.
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well, as I already said, the same goes for characters like Rainbow Dash, Babs Seed, and Sunset Shimmer… and possibly Svengallop and Suri Polomare.
 
give it up, man. there’s no point in complaining about Starlight anymore. and if we were to go by that same train of thought, virtually every character would be punished for every misdeed they make!
DarkStars

@DiscipleOfAndrewRyan  
There’s a colossal difference between ‘crime’ and ‘misdeed’. A misdeed is ripping off someone’s fabric, just before showing it off. A misdeed is bullying. A crime is trying to rewrite history in a twisted image. A crime is stealing not only highly forbidden magic, but also stealing the very thing that identifies people. A crime is assaulting others all the time via extreme abuse of her magic. Dash also committed multiple crimes with her sabotage turned complete destruction of the weather factory, but judging by how many episodes exist to shit all over Dash for no good reason to begin with, I’d say Dash was punished enough. All Starlight needs is a few episodes like that, and I’ll cut her some slack. Oh wait, she’s the writers pet, so that’ll never happen.
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