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Not a surprise. I’ve seen someone egotistical enough to declare “It’s not canon because I don’t like it” a very valid criticism.
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@Vivace  
To be fair, Starlight, Sombra and Chrysalis either ran away or died before redemption could be offered in their first appearance. And technically Sombra never got the chance, though lets face it, show Sombra is a giant dickhead.
 
In fact there’s quite a few villains who got redemption on subsequent appearances. Though honestly, I think you have to show some serious willing for Twilight to give you a second try.
 
Chrysalis got one because Starlight had never met her before, I doubt Twilight would have been as generous. And Starlight got one both because it was increasing clear that Starlight was less a villainous mastermind and more an emotionally unstable child, and it was the most cost efficient way of beating her.
 
As I’ve said before, far from some all loving hero like Fluttershy, I feel Twilight’s pretty reasonable. She’ll give it a go if she feels it will avert a fight or you’re not currently a threat, but she’s not that screamish about outright killing a villain if she has to.
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Oh, I don’t mean that it has to happen in the debut. Your comment is completely correct, especially about being seriously willing. I just mean that when a redemption happens, at least at Twilight’s hand, the conditions I mentioned are true.
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Okay, I guess.
@Vivace  
Cozy remindes me of the people who collects internet friends to feel important and popular, but still doesnt have a single friend in real life.  
It’s practically the same thing.
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@Vivace  
Well more the ‘state of emotional vulnerability’ part. Sunset never really offered up a backstory, though she at least gave a few hints that she wasn’t a complete monster.
 
As I said, I feel like Twilight’s smarter than people sometimes give her credit for. If a villain is totally beaten to a pulp and harmless, or sobbing tears and bemoaning their broken dreams, then a friendship speech is a decent tactical choice. You either get a new best friend, or proof that it’s not really worth trying a second time.
 
If they’re cackling and throwing lightning bolts at passing kittens, just friendship laser the douche.
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@Vivace  
Well Cozy was cackling to be fair, and Twilight still gave it a go. And Starlight was kinda throwing threats about just before she backed down, though she was kinda still holding the cards there (I feel Twilight would have taken her down if she had a decent method of doing so when she was tearing up the spell).
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@Philweasel  
Ah, true. Since Cozy was harmless, Twilight gave it a try, but when she started cackling afterward, it got dicey. And yeah, Starlight’s time-travel scheme was tantamount to a high-stakes hostage situation, & trying to brute force leverage away from her might make the situation worse.
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@rdibp
 
Or, they insist that Twilight wasn’t trying hard enough there.
 
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Well, they should have kept a watch on her.
 
@Vivace
 
It doesn’t help that even after she escapes nopony seems to recognize her and most seem to believe everything she says without even stopping to think ‘isn’t she a convicted criminal?’. Of course, how much of that is a side effect of the background ponies being written as drooling imbeciles again in the finale is to be seen…
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@Vivace  
To be fair though, that’s not all that different than what Starlight had to say to Twilight after HER first defeat. Her response was basically “fuck your beliefs” and to reaffirm that her way was the better way as well :P
 
@Mildgyth  
In everone else’s defense, though, I don’t think they exactly publicized anything about Cozy. They just sort of quietly shuttled her off to hell to be forgotten about without any trial or due process or anything, so probably most ponies didn’t know much about those events other than “world was nearly destroyed by some villain.” Also, Slice of Life showed the ponies of Equestria are desensitized to such things to the point they barely pay attention to them and Cozy’s a fairly nondescript kid and not visibly a monster. Between not knowing much about it, not caring much about such things, and no major visible red flags about the kid, it makes quite a bit of sense nobody recognized her :P
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Hot take: Starlight is still more easily redeemable because she was an ideologue who actually forwarded her own system of beliefs as a counterpart to Twilight’s, while Cozy Glow was simply power hungry.
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I more or less see them as the same. All in all they were both sadistic megalomaniacs who had no qualms about stepping on anyone or anything to get what they wanted out of the world. Honestly, I don’t have even a shred of sympathy for either of them; my ENTIRE reason for calling out Equestria for not giving Cozy a trial is it is super sketchy when a government or group of powerful people silence a criminal or opponent like that. When has it EVER been a good thing when people are silenced before they can testify or speak their case? :P
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@Badumsquish  
All of this is true.
 
I just think, in addition to this, ideologues can be convinced- change their beliefs and you win them over. Hence, Starlight can be reformed, Cozy cannot.
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@Mildgyth  
Well, everything about the events of the first time strongly imply there wasn’t one (notably the CMC were locked in the closet the entire time between Cozy’s defeat and being dumped in hell), and we objectively know there wasn’t one a second time :P
 
@GenericArchangel  
I’m not saying kids can’t be evil but I would believe the opposite not only because one’s a kid and one’s an adult, but the kid being a pegasus would be easier to control and keep an eye on than the unicorn who just inherently has superpowers :P
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I don’t like the portrayal of Twilight as being someone who’s so deadset on “everyone absolutely can be redeemed.” It just feels a bit off, that fanon portrayal. I think she slept well at night after Sombra died twice, and she didn’t offer Chrysalis or the other two friendship in the face of those events.
 
I’m not entirely sure she could forgive any of those three, especially when she has no real reason to do so.
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If there was any chance of Chryssy getting redeemed, it turned into oblivion once she made a move to pluck Spike’s wings. Gleefully.
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