Vivace 
“ShimSham my GlimGlams”
@cheezedoodle
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Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3789
cheezedoodle 
Moderator
TagZombie: AC15, Atk +8
I appreciate that Flim and Flam were present in the ending to help generate the shield dome.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3788
rdibp
Kerfuffle lover
I also wonder whether or not Spike was still together with Gabby in the future.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3787
Mr.Myoozik 
Music Connoisseur
@rdibp
It’s been already established that Twilight was gonna be the ruler and that her friends were gonna help her from early on
It’s been already established that Twilight was gonna be the ruler and that her friends were gonna help her from early on
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3786
rdibp
Kerfuffle lover
Anyone think it’s weird that throughout the season, it was built up that the mane 6 would be ruling Equestria together but in The Last Problem Twilight is the sole ruler?
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3785
Applepie2010
I agree.
Nostalgia Nerd
I finally got around to watching A Trivial Pursuit. I really liked the vibe of that episode actually. It’s very laid back. Very inconsequential.
I agree.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3781
gingerninja666 
Kaze ni Nare
I finally got around to watching A Trivial Pursuit. I really liked the vibe of that episode actually. It’s very laid back. Very inconsequential.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3780
LeoNero 
Shine On U Crazy Diamond
Assuming the age of the characters at the end of the series my only guess would be the Mane 6 are probably in their mid-late 40’s inching 50. Starlight probably early 50’s
Spike is somewhere in mid to late 20’s
CMC is probably in their late 20’s early 30’s
Flurry Heart late teens.
Cake Twins probably early 20’s
And Luster Dawn is teens. Somewhere along 13 or 14
Spike is somewhere in mid to late 20’s
CMC is probably in their late 20’s early 30’s
Flurry Heart late teens.
Cake Twins probably early 20’s
And Luster Dawn is teens. Somewhere along 13 or 14
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3779
AC97
@E-123
Tbh, you’re objectively right about one thing. Tirek literally is his G1 counterpart in name only.
He’s a red centaur. That’s it. Everything else about him is different aside from the fact that they’re villains, from his personality, to his powers and motivations, down to the fact that Scorpan is actually his brother in G4.
And if they did decide to go down a different path, the real Grogar could’ve worked out. But in any case, it is what it is.
Tbh, you’re objectively right about one thing. Tirek literally is his G1 counterpart in name only.
He’s a red centaur. That’s it. Everything else about him is different aside from the fact that they’re villains, from his personality, to his powers and motivations, down to the fact that Scorpan is actually his brother in G4.
And if they did decide to go down a different path, the real Grogar could’ve worked out. But in any case, it is what it is.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3778
RogueBadnik
Uh, I could say the same with Tirek then. Heck, he could be replaced with another original villain from the show and there will be no difference at all. Implementing Grogar in the series can be done right with good planning and writing like how they did with other villains, including giving them more depth and backstory… But well, we got what we got.
⌜Ω⌟
SOMEONE was getting shafted in that finale. It was either going to be Grogar or the TrioWhich was something I pointed out after the premiere. It was a bad decision including Grogar at all in the series, as there was no point to his involvement. He should have been left for G5.
Uh, I could say the same with Tirek then. Heck, he could be replaced with another original villain from the show and there will be no difference at all. Implementing Grogar in the series can be done right with good planning and writing like how they did with other villains, including giving them more depth and backstory… But well, we got what we got.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3773
AC97
Discord was doing the things he did because he believes in Twilight, and wants her to be as strong as possible. Putting her through adversity was meant to do that… and it arguably worked actually.
Nothing about the idea of “Discord wanted her gone” adds up (I think I’ve seen that once or twice), because of that speech he gave them in the premiere being quite genuine, coupled with the fact that that moment would’ve been a shining opportunity to get rid of them if that was ever what he wanted.
I give Discord more slack because his motives really do seem genuine to me. In other episodes where he’s gone into dickish troll mentor mode, he’s clearly had some kind of ulterior motive (wanting to ruin Twi’s time with Cadance, wanting to see Twi squirm and freak out, bitterness over not being given a position at the school). Here though, he doesn’t personally gain anything by doing this. Which leads me to believe his motives HAVE to be primarily altruistic. Which is new for him.
Discord was doing the things he did because he believes in Twilight, and wants her to be as strong as possible. Putting her through adversity was meant to do that… and it arguably worked actually.
Nothing about the idea of “Discord wanted her gone” adds up (I think I’ve seen that once or twice), because of that speech he gave them in the premiere being quite genuine, coupled with the fact that that moment would’ve been a shining opportunity to get rid of them if that was ever what he wanted.
Listen to me. You don’t need me. You don’t need the princesses, and you certainly don’t need the Elements.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3772
gingerninja666
Kaze ni Nare
@Tirimsil
I didn’t say they were amazing. I wasn’t even saying that a version of the finale with Grogar as the main villain wouldn’t have worked. I’m just saying that I liked what they chose to do in it’s own way.
I said “The core problem wasn’t solely “Bad man wants to destroy/conquer the world”” because it’s not. The villain trio were an effect, caused by Discord doing what he’s been doing the entire season. I don’t think the finale’s perfect, in fact I wish this aspect would’ve gotten more screentime. I give Discord more slack because his motives really do seem genuine to me. In other episodes where he’s gone into dickish troll mentor mode, he’s clearly had some kind of ulterior motive (wanting to ruin Twi’s time with Cadance, wanting to see Twi squirm and freak out, bitterness over not being given a position at the school). Here though, he doesn’t personally gain anything by doing this. Which leads me to believe his motives HAVE to be primarily altruistic. Which is new for him.
I didn’t say they were amazing. I wasn’t even saying that a version of the finale with Grogar as the main villain wouldn’t have worked. I’m just saying that I liked what they chose to do in it’s own way.
I said “The core problem wasn’t solely “Bad man wants to destroy/conquer the world”” because it’s not. The villain trio were an effect, caused by Discord doing what he’s been doing the entire season. I don’t think the finale’s perfect, in fact I wish this aspect would’ve gotten more screentime. I give Discord more slack because his motives really do seem genuine to me. In other episodes where he’s gone into dickish troll mentor mode, he’s clearly had some kind of ulterior motive (wanting to ruin Twi’s time with Cadance, wanting to see Twi squirm and freak out, bitterness over not being given a position at the school). Here though, he doesn’t personally gain anything by doing this. Which leads me to believe his motives HAVE to be primarily altruistic. Which is new for him.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3771
Star Seeker
Annoying fan has arrived
@Mildgyth
I find it hard to believe saying that will work, unfortunately.
I find it hard to believe saying that will work, unfortunately.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3769
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3768
Summersong 
aka Summersong
@gingerninja666
… but that is precisely what it was; it was just three antagonists destroying the world instead of one. Are the Dazzlings an amazing twist on a villain just because there are three of them?
Such superficial conceits like “they were DARK friends!!!” shows a gross misunderstanding of anything that actually happened between the three of them, and sweetening Discord’s utter idiocy with “a friend made a bad decision < : )” is apologism. Discord is a big baby who never asks anybody before he just comes in and fucks everything up. He is not fundamentally different from his villain self yet is treated as a good guy. It’s OBNOXIOUS and insulting that they founded the series finale on the worst aspect of the worst character.
… but that is precisely what it was; it was just three antagonists destroying the world instead of one. Are the Dazzlings an amazing twist on a villain just because there are three of them?
Such superficial conceits like “they were DARK friends!!!” shows a gross misunderstanding of anything that actually happened between the three of them, and sweetening Discord’s utter idiocy with “a friend made a bad decision < : )” is apologism. Discord is a big baby who never asks anybody before he just comes in and fucks everything up. He is not fundamentally different from his villain self yet is treated as a good guy. It’s OBNOXIOUS and insulting that they founded the series finale on the worst aspect of the worst character.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3767
AWGear 
Which was something I pointed out after the premiere. It was a bad decision including Grogar at all in the series, as there was no point to his involvement. He should have been left for G5.
The Devil's Advocate
SOMEONE was getting shafted in that finale. It was either going to be Grogar or the Trio
Which was something I pointed out after the premiere. It was a bad decision including Grogar at all in the series, as there was no point to his involvement. He should have been left for G5.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3766
AC97
Part of the point of Frenemies was to show that Chrysalis is still quite competent, almost making it to the end under her own power.
Shafting all of them in favor of some villain that came out of nowhere (him being from G1 doesn’t count for much) wouldn’t have been universally praised for that, and having the real Grogar get shafted due to not being cautious
enough wouldn’t have either. With Discord, this kind of disaster due to his ego that results in him being humbled is more in-character.
Shafting the Trio would’ve just made their entire arc a shaggy dog story to put over how awesome Grogar is.
Part of the point of Frenemies was to show that Chrysalis is still quite competent, almost making it to the end under her own power.
Shafting all of them in favor of some villain that came out of nowhere (him being from G1 doesn’t count for much) wouldn’t have been universally praised for that, and having the real Grogar get shafted due to not being cautious
enough wouldn’t have either. With Discord, this kind of disaster due to his ego that results in him being humbled is more in-character.
Pony Discussion » Season 9 Discussion Thread [NO SPOILERS, DF airings only] » Post 3765
gingerninja666
Kaze ni Nare
@Tirimsil
Well, I thought it added a personal twist to the final conflict. It’s why I liked Shadow Play. The core problem wasn’t solely “Bad man wants to destroy/conquer the world”. It had something relating to the show’s themes in it.
Here, it’s a similar thing. It has villains that use a dark form of friendship. A conflict partly caused by a friend making the wrong decision, and calls to task an aspect of Discord’s personality that he’s always had that was never adressed.
And about Twilight, in the latter half of the season they’ve made a big show of how she’s been getting better. She’s been more in control and calm and coming into her own as a leader. So this kind of reveal shatters that by having her believe it’s all a lie. It’s a deconstruction of all those insufferable “trickster mentor” characters you see in every show ever who teach using unorthodox methods. Only in other shows it always works, and the dickish teacher is vindicated.
Well, I thought it added a personal twist to the final conflict. It’s why I liked Shadow Play. The core problem wasn’t solely “Bad man wants to destroy/conquer the world”. It had something relating to the show’s themes in it.
Here, it’s a similar thing. It has villains that use a dark form of friendship. A conflict partly caused by a friend making the wrong decision, and calls to task an aspect of Discord’s personality that he’s always had that was never adressed.
And about Twilight, in the latter half of the season they’ve made a big show of how she’s been getting better. She’s been more in control and calm and coming into her own as a leader. So this kind of reveal shatters that by having her believe it’s all a lie. It’s a deconstruction of all those insufferable “trickster mentor” characters you see in every show ever who teach using unorthodox methods. Only in other shows it always works, and the dickish teacher is vindicated.
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