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Like I keep saying, you can’t censor information. Thanks to the Internet people will find out about Marxism. So would you rather they learn about Marxism through a bias source or an unbiased professsor who provides them with the truth.

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Funny enough, we have to walk on egg shells for the conservative students as much as the liberal ones.
 
We’re told we can’t say anything bad about Trump, we have to be careful when pointing out issues like slavery as to not paint white people as the aggressors, and bringing up abortion and gay rights is handled very tricky.

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@Zincy  
This isn’t about liberal vs conservative political leanings. And just because it’s not happening at all universities, doesn’t mean it’s not happening and it’s not a problem.

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>what is philosophy  
Marxism isn’t an ideology, Marxism is an economic theory and a philosophy
 
Is it so hard to understand that ?(well actually considering you watch Jordan Peterson…)
 
@Zincy  
Plus liberal scum aren’t Marxist

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Actual university employee here.
 
I’ve not observed any such nonsense at my uni.
 
We have a pretty even mix of conservative and liberal staff members and students.
 
Likely more liberals than conservatives, but I’d say like 60/40, not exactly a crushing divide.

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That’s not a good way of thinking, because then who becomes the arbiter of what’s good and what’s bad?
 
Reason? Logic? History? Scientific consensus? Objectivity? That’s what separates good teachers from bad ones, which is my whole point.  
We may get lucky and have a reasonable person who is that arbiter but we run the risk of having an arbiter who isn’t reasonable. Schools and institutions of higher education are for learning, not for being spoon fed propaganda
 
Exactly my point, which is why Marxist professors are such a problem. Universities need to step up and say no, you can’t just teach this as if it’s just as valid as any other theory, because it’s not.
 
If you’re learning the wrong shit you’re not learning, and that’s not education; that’s spoon-feeding impressionable youth an ideology; a scam.

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That’s not a good way of thinking, because then who becomes the arbiter of what’s good and what’s bad? We may get lucky and have a reasonable person who is that arbiter but we run the risk of having an arbiter who isn’t reasonable. Schools and institutions of higher education are for learning, not for being spoon fed propaganda. If you truly believe it’s a bullshit ideology then let it be taught, the majority of normal people are smart enough to know a bullshit ideology when they hear one.

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The reason Marxism gets thought is because it’s a good philosophy  
The fact it gets thought despite literally every thing in existence trying to kill it is amazing alone  
Ever thought of that

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censoring this information and keeping it hidden, will just make the problem worse. Personally I just believe there are too many dumb people who need to grow up and pay attention in class but that’s just me
 
All ideas don’t deserve to be treated equally in a classroom. If that were the case, we’d teach both creationism and evolution. They have to listen, not make up their own mind, that’s the whole point of education.
 
It’s also why teaching a bullshit ideology is unacceptable; because of that very fact.

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But Marxism doesn’t just focus on a oppressed oppressor dynamic nor is it unique for having one(plus all humans are subjects to CAPITAL)  
I can’t wait for feminists to start introducing the Law of Value into their theories
 
I don’t know what I expect from the guy who takes Jordan “cried at dumbo” Peterson seriously but ok

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Never mind that you’re personally pushing an oppressor/oppressed narrative.
 
For the 100th time, it’s not about oppression, it’s about applying the rules FAIRLY. CONSISTENCY. It’s not about who’s the most victimized, who gets more oppression points, that’s literal nonsense, you know full well that I oppose identity politics so don’t be so disingenuous as to suggest that I’m doing the same thing when I’m not.  
Facebook/Alex Jones, Twitter/Calgon of Mossad*, Kevin Sorbo from God’s Not Dead/the kid from God’s Not Dead,
 
Pointing out hypocrisy, or alleged hypocrisy doesn’t actually make an argument; it’s whataboutism. Everything is equal so people should just do whatever they want because no-one is perfect. Consistency is exactly what I’m advocating for so accusing me of hypocrisy MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE, and you know it.

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Teaching should be neutral, the same way a scientist talks about germs should be the same way a history professor talks about communism. Tell people what it was, what it led to, and the effects it had on people.
 
You give people all the information needed in an unbiased way and you let them make their own choice. The smart people who paid attention will realize communism was a mistake that should not be repeated, dumb people will think the opposite.
 
Censoring this information and keeping it hidden, will just make the problem worse. Personally I just believe there are too many dumb people who need to grow up and pay attention in class but that’s just me

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@kylebiddle
Never mind that you’re personally pushing an oppressor/oppressed narrative. Facebook/Alex Jones, Twitter/Calgon of Mossad*, Kevin Sorbo from God’s Not Dead/the kid from God’s Not Dead, what have you.
*Ancient Jewish secret, huh?
 
No.

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@kylebiddle  
Never mind that you’re personally pushing an oppressor/oppressed narrative. Facebook/Alex Jones, Twitter/Calgon of Mossad*, Kevin Sorbo from God’s Not Dead/the kid from God’s Not Dead, what have you.
 
*Ancient Jewish secret, huh?

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So in light of Nunes admitting he obstructed justice to protect trump, i think we can all agree the ethic committee should reopen it’s investigation into trump with the republican members only allowed to observe,

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There’s a huge difference between censoring history and teaching why history was wrong. You wouldn’t teach left-wing authoritarianism as a good idea for the same reason you wouldn’t teach Fascism as a good idea.
 
They clearly weren’t taught why it was wrong otherwise they wouldn’t be espousing these beliefs.

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Gee, I don’t know, maybe I’m in the minority here, but I just don’t think that teaching an ideology that has historically led to the deaths of million is a good idea.
 
this is the crux of my argument
 
Time-stamped for your convenience.
 
Channel 4 News’ full, fiery interview with clinical psychologist and professor Jordan B Peterson, whose views on gender have amassed great controversy - and a huge online following. He discusses the pay gap, patriarchy and his new book “12 Rules for Life.”

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“That doesn’t mean what he’s saying isn’t true. There are countless examples on those two videos if you actually bothered to watch them.”
 
full
 
Sargon is a fucking talking head on YouTube who has a vested interest in selling a narrative. At best, everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
And no, a bunch of random YouTube vids are not sufficient evidence to back up a claim this bold.
 
This idea that Marxism and communism is seeing a resurgence is bullshit. Your conspiracy theory is the kind of nonsense a right wing radio host would rant about for hours before bringing on a guest who claims he was abducted by aliens.
 
Now look, it’s fair to say that there are SJWs and femnazis who believe in communism, a lot of them are dumb kids so it’s more than likely they like the idea of communism. But to say that hundreds of thousands of university professors are in on a massive conspiracy theory to brainwash kids into supporting Marxism is, like I keep saying, nonsense.
 
And even if you claim that SJWs are all Marxists, they’re just dumb kids on Facebook with little to no political power. Look at the candidates they support to, Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. The idea that these two politicians are Marxists is absurd. Saying that Bernie Sanders is Communist is like saying that Switzerland is Germany. And saying that Hillary Clinton is a Marxist is the naïve thing you can say, the idea of a magic bullet killing JFK is more believable than the idea that Hillary is a Marxist.
 
There is no Marxist uprising in the United States, a country that has no free healthcare for everyone, where the workers don’t own the means of production, and a country where one man doesn’t hold absolute power. It’s like what Dustcan said, have you every just considered the fact that young kids just like the idea of communism without anyone glorifying it because they’re naïve and stupid?
 
 
And like I keep telling you, I’m getting sick of Conservatives playing the victim card and bitching and moaning about how oppressed they are while they cheer on Donald Trump as he rips up Obama’s legacy. There are no laws against conservatives, they can be anyone they want and go wherever they want.

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@kylebiddle  
>oppressor/oppressed dynamic is Marxism
 
please… read a book, any book
 
Seriously though this is dumbest thing I have ever seen  
Ignoring that Marxism isnt just about the oppressor oppressed dynamic(plus that Capital equally forces all human subjects under its servitude), many philosophies have this dynamic and aren’t marxist

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@Dustcan
 
I think college just has the effect of exposing young people to people and ideas they wouldn’t have given a lot of thought otherwise. Like, I went to a Christian private college and I still left it more liberal than I was when I went in.

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Does universities force “communism” on its impressionable students?
 
Yes.  
Or does hearing about an ideological concept of working people having power appeal to impressionable young adults who are watching an increasing amount of wealth be horded by a decreasing number of people?
 
It’s not about that, it’s the oppressor/oppressed narrative, it’s marxism by any other name, it’s bullshit.

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