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hironakamura
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@Background Pony #26F9
Boundaries are boundaries regardless of what it covers. Your room, your house, your space, your cubicle at the office, your country, you don’t want people there that are not invited or welcomed.
How would you like it if you find a complete stranger roaming around in your room and they said its fine because your mom let them in? You can’t use Sunny’s letter as an excuse. She doesn’t speak for the whole earth pony tribe.
You are right about the communication part though. If Izzy surrendered to Hitch and Sprout and simply said “I come in peace. May I please visit your town?” She would be respecting those boundaries. But she didn’t do that and she didn’t care to think about it.
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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 12015

Background Pony #26F9
@hironakamura
Also, tbf, there’s a difference between tribal and personal.
A letter found by a child attached to a balloon is not a diplomatic hand of friendship between two tribes. The political leaders of the two tribes should be the ones communicating with each other to inform their tribes members.
Go on. Try it in real life by crashing a convert with tickets you claim you got from a cereal box. Just watch as the bouncers throw you out.
Thing is, they weren’t communicating.
Whilie unusual, the intention was there.
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Background Pony #FC6A
@TOMNICE
I am just gonna copypaste someone else’s comment here.
I really don’t want him to be a villain again. I get that grief makes people act out, and if G4 had played out differently that could be an emotional story. But after Season 9 if he’s doing anything evil again I just don’t think I’ll be able to muster up any patience or sympathy for it, regardless of his reasoning. Hoping he’s just a bitter old man or something but that cover definitely seems villainous.
Really, it is all just lazy writing always making him do bad things only because he is “all powerful”. When will the creators give limits to his powers?
It was the main mistake made around Discord by the writers behind S8-S9, they had forgotten an important rule of the Ponyverse; even the most powerful are vulnerable, as seen for the first time when Chrysalis defeated Celestia who could not fight with full force among many ponies in a packed hall. They had the opportunity, but chose to twist the plot and create the Grogar disguise. The authors of IDW had understood that, and probably also the manufacturers behind the G5 3D series realized it. Discord was poorly treated in S8-S9 when the tendency to humiliate and hold down powerful individuals went too far. The royal sisters were not better treated towards the end of the G4 as these were given larger screen space.
Whether Discord was a victim of the catastrophe that was obviously an attack that Twilight fought against without success; do not think they had fought against each other, it would be disgraceful - does that mean there are some out there who are more powerful, or know about Discord’s weaknesses.
It’s starting to get deeper in the G5, and it’s become clear that there’s a lot in the background that could be very serious threats against Sunny and her friends in their mission to rebuild friendship and harmony in Equestria and beyond. And the mysterious alicorn is probably just one of the threats that Mane 5 must face, perhaps becoming New Mane 6 in the process. But Sunny, who probably represents the element of Hope, will eventually face the biggest threat - which may be older than Equestria.
And it’s not Discord or evil alicorns.
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TOMNICE
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I am just gonna copypaste someone else’s comment here.
I really don’t want him to be a villain again. I get that grief makes people act out, and if G4 had played out differently that could be an emotional story. But after Season 9 if he’s doing anything evil again I just don’t think I’ll be able to muster up any patience or sympathy for it, regardless of his reasoning. Hoping he’s just a bitter old man or something but that cover definitely seems villainous.
Really, it is all just lazy writing always making him do bad things only because he is “all powerful”. When will the creators give limits to his powers?
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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 12011

hironakamura
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@DerpyFast
Yet Sprouticus Maximus existed.
A letter found by a child attached to a balloon is not a diplomatic hand of friendship between two tribes. The political leaders of the two tribes should be the ones communicating with each other to inform their tribes members.
Go on. Try it in real life by crashing a convert with tickets you claim you got from a cereal box. Just watch as the bouncers throw you out.
Bottom line is, I observed Izzy has zero respect for boundaries months ago. And recently its proven that not only does she disrespect tribal boundaries but she also disrespects personal boundaries. I got shit because I’m ahead of the curve. And now people are saying she should learn a lesson about respecting boundaries. That’s hillarious to me how long it took people to catch up on her archtype when I called it out before.
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@hironakamura
Let me try again. You said:
People can’t get that the three tribes in g5 are enemies. People assume the status quo of g5 is hunkie dori like g4
People do get that the tribes are enemies. The plot of the movie literally revolves around the tribes being enemies. Where are you getting the idea that “People assume the status quo of g5 is hunkie dori like g4”? And sure, broadly speaking, they’re enemies, but each tribe has a specific set of beliefs about the other two tribes:
Earth Ponies believe that:
  • the Pegasi and unicorns tried to eat up all the Earth ponies by “zapping ’em with lasers and frying ’em to a crisp”. (Sprout to Sunny at the lighthouse)
  • “the Earth ponies kicked [the Unicorns and Pegasi’s] butts in an epic battle” (Sprout to Sunny at the lighthouse)
  • Unicorns can read minds (Phyllis atthe CanterLogic demo)
  • Pegasi will snatch you away (Phyllis atthe CanterLogic demo)
Unicorns believe that:
  • Pegasi will steal your luminescence (Izzy and Sunny’s conversation outside of Zephyr Heights)
  • Earth Ponies smell like rotten sardines, are lazy, and not very bright (Izzy and Sunny’s conversation outside of Maretime Bay)
  • Saying the words “magic, “wings”, “feather”, and “mayonnaise” will get you jinxed. (Izzy and Hitch’s conversation in Bridlewood)
Pegasi believe that:
  • Earth ponies have very tiny brains (The two guards outside of Zephy Heights)
  • A unicorn can be made harmless by sticking a tennis ball on their horn (The two guards outside of Zephy Heights)
To sum it up:
  • Unicorns think pegasi are a threat, but that Earth ponies are too dumb and lazy to be a threat
  • Pegasi think unicorns are a threat, but that earth ponies are “harmless”
  • Earth ponies think pegasi and unicorns are a threat, and work together
It’s an oversimplification because you’re ignoring the context these details create in favor of “they’re all just enemies”. I believe you were saying something about confirmation bias.
And here’s why that context is important:
What part of the movie did you think a unicorn would ever be welcomed in Maretime Bay if she walks in there? Answer that.
The part where she received an invitation that literally says:
“Dear unicorns and Pegasi, you have friends in Maretime Bay. Come visit us.”
That’s at least one thing that would suggest she would be welcomed.
The worst thing Izzy, and by extension the rest of the unicorns, think about Earth Ponies is that they smell like rotten sardines, are lazy, and not very bright. And that’s it.
Izzy Moonbow: “Nope, just those three.”
The unicorns have a low opinion of Earth ponies, but nowhere in the movie is it explicitly stated that Unicorns view Earth ponies as “enemies”. They have more of a dismissive attitude. Meanwhile, the chase through Maretime Bay is the first time Izzy is ever explicitly given any reason to believe that the Earth ponies consider Unicorns to be enemies. Izzy is genuinely surprised to learn that Earth ponies hate unicorns.
Sunny Starscout: You! You’re a unicorn! Earth ponies hate unicorns!
Izzy Moonbow: Really? That seems a little harsh.
So your entire argument that “she knew and went anyways” is demonstrably wrong, and that’s why people are giving you shit. At the time she walks in, she has at least one explicit reason to believe that she’s be welcomed, and zero explicit reasons to believe she wouldn’t be welcomed.
Besides, how do you know their status quo is misinformation?
People like to believe the g5 ponies history is a lie or is wrong because in g4 they were friends
That’s not the reason… or at least that’s not the only reason. People believe that the G5 pony history is a lie because, not only is what the tribes believe about each other shown to be wrong, the beliefs themselves are so absurd that even a child could recognize them as such. This is the main driving force behind the movie’s humour, along with Izzy’s innocence.
the movie literally confirms they’re taught in school that Earth Ponies kicked the butts of the other tribes in some kind of fight.
They’re also taught that unicorns and pegasi practiced cannibalism.
But its at the start of the movie used for exposition and nothing so far contradicts it.
In this hypothetical war, the Earth ponies would be outnumbered two-to-one, and up against opponents that can fly and use magic. The idea that the Earth ponies “kicked their butts” sounds like pure propaganda to me. You’re really not meant to take what the ponies say about each other at face value.
This is going to be my last post on the subject.
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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 12007

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Background Pony #2FAC
@Fanstar
It’s alright. Catchy and I think little kids (the primary audience) will probably like it. On the somewhat downside, I feel it’s more tailor-made to be an earworm rather than the FIM song that felt like it was made to resonate with you on an emotional level.
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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 12005

Gipercrafter

@Fanstar
In one of the applications in which a soothing melody is playing, a story about Pipp was officially released, where she talks about her classes all day (she was voiced by the first actress), and at some point mentions the moment of the foundation of Zephyr Heights and the name of the first queen.
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Background Pony #35C2
I am tired of people trying to make sense of those three. But deep down I know that it doesn’t matter. These people will continue on defending them and trying to make “alternative endings” until the end of time. They want the show to follow exactly what they want. They can’t let it go or learn that things don’t always go the way we want.
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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 12002

Background Pony #35C2
The whole point of season 9 is to show that not everyone wants to change for the better. Cozy Glow is a sociopath, Tirek is a power hungry maniac and Chrysalis is a selfish queen. Please stop trying to make sense as if they would change. They don’t want help or anything like that. They don’t care about harmony or friendship. They don’t even care about each other. They weren’t even friends to begin with. I applaud MLP FIM for doing that. It is realistic. I am tired of the whole “everybody is a friend and therefore can change”. You cannot help those who don’t want help.
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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 11999

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Background Pony #FC6A
@Zerowinger
@Fanstar
Honestly, Cozy being the first queen of Zephyr is a fun idea and can lead up to interesting stories
I agree. In part because it almost serves as a kind of back door redemption story both for her, and potentially for Tirek and Chrysalis (if she’s out, odds are they’re out as well).
I imagine the three of them getting released from their imprisonment due to whatever massive disaster has caused Equestria to lose magic. They find a disorganized group of Pegasus survivors at the enclave that will become Zephyr Heights, and basically take charge of them to regroup and survive in what is - let’s face it - basically a post-apocalyptic world. While they initially do it just for their own petty reasons, in time they do earn respect as leaders, and wind up founding the Zephyr Heights we know today.
@Zerowinger
@Dustcan
And here I am wondering when will be the return of Cozy Glow.
Well, for all we know, she already has.
It is a very good and logical idea. The fate of the terrible trio did not sit well with many, and it is possible that Twilight may have tried to reform them without success because they were too bitter and too dangerous as long as there is magic. But if the magic disappeared, it is possible that the petrification spell - since pony magic was used by the royal siblings - would disappear. This means that Cozy, Tirek and Chrysalis could not remain petrified into the G5 in any case. Moreover, IDW comics had shown that Chrysalis managed to escape, and her fate may be unknown. But if Cozy, Chrysalis and Tirek wake up in the aftermath of a disaster and find out that the magic had disappeared, there is little they can do beyond adapt to the new conditions.
Then it is possible that Cozy, who had already demonstrated leadership skills and strong persuasive abilities, quickly took control of the disorganized pegasias and then helped them. Tirek is likely to return home in his old age and it is possible that G5 will show his homeland, where the memory of him may have survived.
Chrysalis could either be gone because she had escaped beforehand, or forced to find her people. Fortunately for the changelings, we know that they are not dependent on pony magic, and can feed on emotional energy from all sources of life - so the loss of pony magic will not affect them. But they will lose all interest in the ponies.
If Cozy becomes the first queen of Zephyr Heights with her own experiences and adventures in which she learns to be good, despite her lack of scruples, and then manipulates the pegasi into believing she can fly, it’s very good. Then it means that Zipp and Pipp are descendants of one of the greatest villains in Equestria’s history. Maybe Cozy may have met the mysterious alicorn and refused to submit to her. It will not be surprising if there are no statues of her and all her descendants until the magic is returned - and the statue tradition of the earth ponies.
Tirek, for his part, can help his people, because even if it seems that only pony magic had disappeared, the collapse of the world community will lead to huge problems for everyone. His knowledge of drawing magic from his surroundings and his background as a prince may have attracted the centaurs and gargoyles to him. In his old age, Tirek will serve his people in the end.
If this does not appear in the G5 as a satisfactory solution to one of the biggest controversies in the G4, it will be very surprising.
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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 11997

hironakamura
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@DerpyFast
>You’re hallucinating if you think people watched the movie and assumed that.
There’s no assumption here. Sprout narrated that for exposition at the start of the movie.
>Except that’s an oversimplification.
Its Occam’s razor. Why are you assuming things not stated in the movie? It was stated several times by multiple tribe members. Not just from the main characters but from Alphabittle’s perspective, from Queen Haven’s perspective, from the pegasus guards, from the the earth pony towns folk. Nothing suggests the three tribes intermingled. Their societies don’t interact. And there’s reason for that. They hate and fear each other so they created borders.
What part of the movie did you think a unicorn would ever be welcomed in Maretime Bay if she walks in there? Answer that. You can’t because nothing suggests it. And Izzy knows this because other unicorns know this. You go into a place you’re not welcomed, you’re gonna cause trouble. That’s just a basic fact.
>If you consider disrespecting a status quo based on hatred and misinformation a “problem”, then I think you might be admitting more than you intended to here…
Lol. Moving the goal post, I see. Straw man argument, if I’ve ever seen one. I think you don’t know the difference between diplomacy and disrespect. Besides, how do you know their status quo is misinformation? There’s a dark alicorn in MyM that clearly intends to use magic malevolently. How do we know the three tribes didn’t really fight each other in some war in their past? How do we know they didn’t use their magic to harm each other in their past?
As you can see, that’s confirmation bias in effect. People like to believe the g5 ponies history is a lie or is wrong because in g4 they were friends so its okay for Izzy to walk into the territory of another pony tribe. But We don’t know if something caused a falling out between the tribes at some point between g4 and g5 for real so they became enemies. Your confirmation bias is making you assume things again while at the same time, the movie literally confirms they’re taught in school that Earth Ponies kicked the butts of the other tribes in some kind of fight. Was that true? Who knows? But its at the start of the movie used for exposition and nothing so far contradicts it.
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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 11996

DerpyFast
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@hironakamura
It’s more like you weren’t paying attention.
People can’t get that the three tribes in g5 are enemies. People assume the status quo of g5 is hunkie dori like g4
You’re hallucinating if you think people watched the movie and assumed that.
the narrative clearly states since foalhood, all ponies are led to believe the other tribe is the enemy.
Except that’s an oversimplification.
  • Earth Ponies are taught that the other two tribes are the enemy.
  • Unicorns are taught that pegasi will steal your luminescence, and that earth ponies are dumb, lazy, and smell bad. Izzy is genuinely surprised to learn that earth ponies hate unicorns.
decides to disrespect this status quo anyway.
That’s the problem.
If you consider disrespecting a status quo based on hatred and misinformation a “problem”, then I think you might be admitting more than you intended to here…
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Pony Discussion » MLP G5 Discussion and Speculation Thread » Post 11995

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Honestly, Cozy being the first queen of Zephyr is a fun idea and can lead up to interesting stories
I agree. In part because it almost serves as a kind of back door redemption story both for her, and potentially for Tirek and Chrysalis (if she’s out, odds are they’re out as well).
I imagine the three of them getting released from their imprisonment due to whatever massive disaster has caused Equestria to lose magic. They find a disorganized group of Pegasus survivors at the enclave that will become Zephyr Heights, and basically take charge of them to regroup and survive in what is - let’s face it - basically a post-apocalyptic world. While they initially do it just for their own petty reasons, in time they do earn respect as leaders, and wind up founding the Zephyr Heights we know today.
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