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Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24073

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@kylebiddle  
For your first point I just wanted to point out that just because someone is “speaking from the heart” does not mean they’re factually correct. They’re just being honest about what they think, yet what they think could be factually wrong
 
As for your second point, I’ll settle for anything. Just give us something, some form of evidence for any claim you made. That’s what I want anyway

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WHAT ARE YOU DISMISSING?
Who the fuck cares about white nationalists? Are they terrorizing people? Rioting? Let them be ignorant dumbasses, nobody is in favor of those morons, and they are in the minority.
Who cares about white nationalists? I don’t know. Maybe you should ask the Parkland shooting survivors, Davis’ family, or Heyers’ family if they care about the rise of white nationalism. Their family members being murdered must have had something to do with the rise of fascism in America.
we also have this group of people doing the wrong thing so therefore we can just ignore what BLM is doing?
Simply put, whataboutism refers to the bringing up of one issue in order to distract from the discussion of another. It does not apply to the comparison and analysis of two similar issues in terms such as why some are given more social prominence than others.
 
I know what whataboutism is, that’s why I dismissed the alt-right argument as deflecting the attention away from what I was originally talking about (black lives matter). Which is why I said, ‘who cares’.
 
Yeah the alt-right sucks and has extremist too, I would argue that BLM is worse though.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24070

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What have I said are you disputing? You can demand evidence all you want but I’m not going to be able to show you if you guys won’t even tell me what you’re even disputing.
 
We are disputing your claims on BLM being a terrorist org, social justice being immediately “toxic”, structural racism not being a problem, among other arguments you have just made.  
Even if we weren’t presenting evidence to counter-argue you, that wouldn’t excuse you playing along and also not substantiating your claims, because that’s not how you properly debate.

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@kylebiddle
Oh? You say that someone who speaks from the heart is honest then, yet that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about facts. Someone can be honest about their opinion but that doesn’t mean their opinion is factually correct. In short, they’re being honest about their feelings
 
What about what I’ve said is factually incorrect?  
Then show us this information, something you gotta learn about the real world is that you need proof to back up your claims regardless of how you feel about it. You know for someone who claims to put facts over feels, you sure are getting emotional
 
What have I said are you disputing? You can demand evidence all you want but I’m not going to be able to show you if you guys won’t even tell me what you’re even disputing.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24068

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WHAT ARE YOU DISMISSING?
 
Who the fuck cares about white nationalists? Are they terrorizing people? Rioting? Let them be ignorant dumbasses, nobody is in favor of those morons, and they are in the minority.
 
Who cares about white nationalists? I don’t know. Maybe you should ask the Parkland shooting survivors, Davis’ family, or Heyers’ family if they care about the rise of white nationalism. Their family members being murdered must have had something to do with the rise of fascism in America.
 
we also have this group of people doing the wrong thing so therefore we can just ignore what BLM is doing?
 
Whataboutism: Whataboutism (also known as Whataboutery) is a form of defensive propaganda used to counter criticism (usually from “the West”, and usually on blatant human rights abuses) with a “What about…?”—question vaguely, if at all, related to the original issue. It is a specialized red herring version of the tu quoque fallacy, sometimes implementing the balance fallacy as well.
 
Simply put, whataboutism refers to the bringing up of one issue in order to distract from the discussion of another. It does not apply to the comparison and analysis of two similar issues in terms such as why some are given more social prominence than others.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24067

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@kylebiddle  
“The reason I don’t feel like I need to prove this stuff is because I’m using information that everyone has already agreed upon is true”
 
Then show us this information, something you gotta learn about the real world is that you need proof to back up your claims regardless of how you feel about it. You know for someone who claims to put facts over feels, you sure are getting emotional

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24066

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@kylebiddle
>don’t commit crimes
wow can’t believe you solved a problem that has dated back for millennia
who knew it would be that easy
>those cases were solved
Uh no those trials were bullshit
The officers were obviously guilty
And OJ was the exception and even then, he is fucking rich as fuck
Class often plays a role as well as race read intersectional theory
Also America’s social program fucking suck compared to other countries
Plus, social programs often have problems and holes in them
And even then, to truly solve crime we must abolish capitalist production but that’s another thing entirely
 
You’re never gonna solve crime, that’s not what this argument is about. And just because our social programs aren’t perfect that doesn’t mean they aren’t responsible for helping themselves and following the law. You seem to want to blame everything on the system like it’s every-bodies fault but the criminals.
 
You can call those trials bullshit if you want, but the verdict is what it is.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24065

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@kylebiddle
If it’s common sense then you should have no problem finding evidence to back up what you claim. Unless you don’t and are trying to weasel your way out of doing so
 
What fucking claim?? What have I said is so controversial? What do I need to prove? The reason I don’t feel like I need to prove this stuff is because I’m using information that everyone has already agreed upon is true, things like BLM is a terrorist organization which is true, what other claims have I made? The justice system isn’t racist, well that’s true, it’s not perfect but it certainly isn’t racist by any stretch of the imagination. I literally can’t remember a single thing I said that would require me to prove an example of it to give evidence that it’s true.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24063

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@kylebiddle  
>don’t commit crimes
 
wow can’t believe you solved a problem that has dated back for millennia  
who knew it would be that easy
 
>those cases were solved  
Uh no those trials were bullshit  
The officers were obviously guilty
 
And OJ was the exception and even then, he is fucking rich as fuck  
Class often plays a role as well as race read intersectional theory
 
Also America’s social program fucking suck compared to other countries  
Plus, social programs often have problems and holes in them  
And even then, to truly solve crime we must abolish capitalist production but that’s another thing entirely

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24062

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Sorry for the late reply. You can’t text while driving, especially at night.
 
As for whether or not leftists truly believe in social justice, the reason I can’t support this is because social justice and social equality sometimes don’t correlate with one another. It is very much possible for social justice to be against social equality in some events, usually due to cultural influences. Since social justice is heavily based on the society itself while social equality has a single universal definition, they can crash into each other.
 
Your definition isn’t bad, btw. Just that mine is different.

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@kylebiddle
You offer no claims nor sources whatsoever to your arguments.
Some advice: make up your mind, and only later should you debate. You feel like you’re fumbling all over the place.
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?
As a wise person once told me, “Claims that are made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”
I did my homework on the dangers of the rising alt-right and posted them in a post that you have yet to reply to, now you fucking do yours.
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?
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WHAT ARE YOU DISMISSING? What about what I’ve said doesn’t make sense? Yes..great far-right extremists exist, what’s your argument, we also have this group of people doing the wrong thing so therefore we can just ignore what BLM is doing?

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@kylebiddle
But that’s exactly what i did, and tried to do to you. You label yourself a leftist, yet your arguments imply otherwise, and i pointed to that.
You’re confusing.
 
What about my arguments would imply that I’m not on the left? I wouldn’t call myself a leftist, that doesn’t really mean anything. I’m a democrat, I’m anti-social-justice, anti-femist and anti-religious. None of that is contradictory.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24059

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@kylebiddle
You offer no claims nor sources whatsoever to your arguments.
Some advice: make up your mind, and only later should you debate. You feel like you’re fumbling all over the place.
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?
 
As a wise person once told me, “Claims that are made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”
 
I did my homework on the dangers of the rising alt-right and posted them in a post that you have yet to reply to, now you fucking do yours.
 
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?
 
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@kylebiddle  
Oh? You say that someone who speaks from the heart is honest then, yet that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about facts. Someone can be honest about their opinion but that doesn’t mean their opinion is factually correct. In short, they’re being honest about their feelings

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@kylebiddle
You offer no claims nor sources whatsoever to your arguments.
Some advice: make up your mind, and only later should you debate. You feel like you’re fumbling all over the place.
 
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?

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@kylebiddle
“Put down the dictionary, the academic papers, whatever, and speak directly from the heart”
…doesn’t your little quote under your username say “Facts over Feels”? Practice what you preach please.
 
Speaking from the heart means you’re being direct and honest; genuine, not talking about your feelings. I am being genuine, and that IS what I’m preaching.

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@kylebiddle
First off, crime isn’t inherently bad
 
I’m well aware of that, crimes are still crimes. Doesn’t change anything.
Secondly, individuals can definitely pull themselves out of tough situations without committing crimes
But here’s the thing, if most people can do it, then they would
 
So they’re incapable? In america? Lol, no. Not with all the social programs we have.  
To blame crime as an individual problem is fucking stupid and we have seen the consequences of doing it with tougher sentencing laws doing NOTHING to stop crime
 
How about don’t commit crimes? Would that stop crimes?  
Focus on the material conditions which force people to commit crimes
Nobody forces you to committ crimes, ever, and certainly not in america with all the social programs we have.
And even then, Cops still fucking target black people for idiotic reasons and they got away with it every single time
Philando Castile, Freddie Gray, Rodney King, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice and the list goes on and on
 
All those cases have been resolved. It’s not up to you to determine who was guilty and whose not, that’s already done with. The justice system isn’t racist. If you’re found guilty, you are guilty, that’s the system we have, and it’s not changing. No mention of the OJ trial I see, convenient.  
That’s what BLM is about, to fight the racism inherent within all sectors of American Society
Does BLM have flaws ? Yes, but they still are somewhat progressive in their cause
 
You don’t know a damn thing about BLM if that’s what you think it’s about. They are not progressing us anywhere except towards racial division. They are a domestic terrorist organization, nothing good about BLM, nothing. 0. Nada.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24051

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Yes politicians are corrupt, brilliant deduction, everyone knows that!
 
There’s a difference between simply knowing something and actually going out there to do something about it.
 
You want to protest a perceived injustice? FIIINE. That’s your right; just do it civilly. And these protest have been anything BUT civil.
 
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@kylebiddle  
“Put down the dictionary, the academic papers, whatever, and speak directly from the heart”
 
…doesn’t your little quote under your username say “Facts over Feels”? Practice what you preach please.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24049

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Who the fuck cares about white nationalists? Are they terrorizing people? Rioting? Let them be ignorant dumbasses, nobody is in favor of those morons, and they are in the minority.
Seven classmates of Cruz told The Daily Beast he expressed extreme political views and disturbing behavior when he attended the high school he is now accused of attacking with a high-powered rifle.
“The one person I would expect to do it did it,” said Julianna Sivon, who said she sat next to Cruz in English class last year. “He loved talking about his guns. He just didn’t seem right, but he didn’t seem like he would do something this big.”
Kamrie Bazal, 19, and Damar Osouna, 19, said they knew Cruz in school and that he talked about about guns but they did not suspect he would kill. Daniel Journey, 18, said Cruz was a troublemaker who was kicked out of class once for smashing windows.
Nyla Hussain, a 16-year-old junior, said her good friend sat next to Cruz in biology class last year and that he would regularly show her photos of dead animals.
“Whoever he sat next to in class he would show pics of animals that he hunted,” she said.
Two classmates said they saw Cruz wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat.
“I saw him wear a Trump hat,” said Sebastian Gonzalez, a 19-year-old who graduated in 2017.
Ocean Parodie, a 17-year-old junior, said Cruz was politically extreme.
“For example, he would degrade Islamic people as terrorists and bombers. I’ve seen him wear a Trump hat,” Parodie said.
Josh Charo, a 16-year-old junior who was in JROTC with Cruz, said he often expressed racist beliefs.
“He would always talk about how he felt whites were a bit higher than everyone,” Charo said. “He’d be like, ‘My people are over here industrializing the world and starting new things, while your people [meaning blacks and Latinos] are just taking up space.’”
The self-professed neo-Nazi accused of barreling a car through a crowd of people protesting a white supremacist rally that killed one woman in Charlottesville over the summer is now being charged with first-degree murder.
James Alex Fields Jr. made his first extended court appearance in Charlottesville on Thursday where the charge was announced.
He’s been behind bars since the violent “Unite the Right” rally which killed 32-year-old Heather Heyer, a paralegal peacefully protesting the Aug. 12 event.
The Ohio 20-year-old was charged with second-degree murder, malicious wounding and felonious assault for allegedly driving into demonstrators and causing the deadly crash, which left another 19 injured.
“We’re trying to but he’s chasing us around the house,” she replied. “He’s mad about something on the internet about leftist pedophiles and he thinks we’re leftist and he’s calling us pedophiles. And I don’t know what all.”
Catherine laughed. “He just lives on the internet and he gets really worked up about everything that’s going on. He needs an intervention of some kind here.”
Police were on their way, the dispatcher told Catherine, and she hung up. But Charles’s phone kept recording.
On the 12-minute audio file later recovered by Skagit County Detective Kevin Sigman, a manic Lane, enraged by his mother’s 911 call, says, “OK well, so here’s the deal. If I am going to go to prison for threatening to kill somebody, I mean…”
“Leave the knife alone,” Charles says while his mother tries to reassure him: No one wants to send him to prison, they just want some help.
Lane doesn’t seem to hear or believe his mother. “So, you are going to send me to prison?” he asks. “My life is over.”
Minutes later, Catherine called 911 again. The audio recording is hard to hear. In it, Catherine is running and the portable phone she’s using breaks up. Catherine screams “He stabbed him!” before the connection is lost.
As the 73-year-old maritime lawyer and grandfather of two lay bleeding on the back deck, stabbed by his son in the chest and the back with a chef’s knife, Lane walked outside, dropped his weapon and stood with his hands in the air, waiting for police to arrive.
Catherine called 911 once more. “He’s dead, he’s dead, he’s dead.”

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