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@kylebiddle
You offer no claims nor sources whatsoever to your arguments.
Some advice: make up your mind, and only later should you debate. You feel like you’re fumbling all over the place.
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?
As a wise person once told me, “Claims that are made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”
I did my homework on the dangers of the rising alt-right and posted them in a post that you have yet to reply to, now you fucking do yours.
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?
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WHAT ARE YOU DISMISSING? What about what I’ve said doesn’t make sense? Yes..great far-right extremists exist, what’s your argument, we also have this group of people doing the wrong thing so therefore we can just ignore what BLM is doing?

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@kylebiddle
But that’s exactly what i did, and tried to do to you. You label yourself a leftist, yet your arguments imply otherwise, and i pointed to that.
You’re confusing.
 
What about my arguments would imply that I’m not on the left? I wouldn’t call myself a leftist, that doesn’t really mean anything. I’m a democrat, I’m anti-social-justice, anti-femist and anti-religious. None of that is contradictory.

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@kylebiddle
You offer no claims nor sources whatsoever to your arguments.
Some advice: make up your mind, and only later should you debate. You feel like you’re fumbling all over the place.
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?
 
As a wise person once told me, “Claims that are made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”
 
I did my homework on the dangers of the rising alt-right and posted them in a post that you have yet to reply to, now you fucking do yours.
 
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?
 
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@kylebiddle  
Oh? You say that someone who speaks from the heart is honest then, yet that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about facts. Someone can be honest about their opinion but that doesn’t mean their opinion is factually correct. In short, they’re being honest about their feelings

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@kylebiddle
You offer no claims nor sources whatsoever to your arguments.
Some advice: make up your mind, and only later should you debate. You feel like you’re fumbling all over the place.
 
Buddy I haven’t made any claims that require evidence. It’s just common sense, it’s obvious, what exactly have I said are you disputing? You can use logic to make arguments too, am I not being logical? What about what I’m saying doesn’t make sense or needs proving?

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24054

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@kylebiddle
“Put down the dictionary, the academic papers, whatever, and speak directly from the heart”
…doesn’t your little quote under your username say “Facts over Feels”? Practice what you preach please.
 
Speaking from the heart means you’re being direct and honest; genuine, not talking about your feelings. I am being genuine, and that IS what I’m preaching.

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@kylebiddle
First off, crime isn’t inherently bad
 
I’m well aware of that, crimes are still crimes. Doesn’t change anything.
Secondly, individuals can definitely pull themselves out of tough situations without committing crimes
But here’s the thing, if most people can do it, then they would
 
So they’re incapable? In america? Lol, no. Not with all the social programs we have.  
To blame crime as an individual problem is fucking stupid and we have seen the consequences of doing it with tougher sentencing laws doing NOTHING to stop crime
 
How about don’t commit crimes? Would that stop crimes?  
Focus on the material conditions which force people to commit crimes
Nobody forces you to committ crimes, ever, and certainly not in america with all the social programs we have.
And even then, Cops still fucking target black people for idiotic reasons and they got away with it every single time
Philando Castile, Freddie Gray, Rodney King, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice and the list goes on and on
 
All those cases have been resolved. It’s not up to you to determine who was guilty and whose not, that’s already done with. The justice system isn’t racist. If you’re found guilty, you are guilty, that’s the system we have, and it’s not changing. No mention of the OJ trial I see, convenient.  
That’s what BLM is about, to fight the racism inherent within all sectors of American Society
Does BLM have flaws ? Yes, but they still are somewhat progressive in their cause
 
You don’t know a damn thing about BLM if that’s what you think it’s about. They are not progressing us anywhere except towards racial division. They are a domestic terrorist organization, nothing good about BLM, nothing. 0. Nada.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24051

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Yes politicians are corrupt, brilliant deduction, everyone knows that!
 
There’s a difference between simply knowing something and actually going out there to do something about it.
 
You want to protest a perceived injustice? FIIINE. That’s your right; just do it civilly. And these protest have been anything BUT civil.
 
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@kylebiddle  
“Put down the dictionary, the academic papers, whatever, and speak directly from the heart”
 
…doesn’t your little quote under your username say “Facts over Feels”? Practice what you preach please.

Generals » Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General) » Post 24049

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Who the fuck cares about white nationalists? Are they terrorizing people? Rioting? Let them be ignorant dumbasses, nobody is in favor of those morons, and they are in the minority.
Seven classmates of Cruz told The Daily Beast he expressed extreme political views and disturbing behavior when he attended the high school he is now accused of attacking with a high-powered rifle.
“The one person I would expect to do it did it,” said Julianna Sivon, who said she sat next to Cruz in English class last year. “He loved talking about his guns. He just didn’t seem right, but he didn’t seem like he would do something this big.”
Kamrie Bazal, 19, and Damar Osouna, 19, said they knew Cruz in school and that he talked about about guns but they did not suspect he would kill. Daniel Journey, 18, said Cruz was a troublemaker who was kicked out of class once for smashing windows.
Nyla Hussain, a 16-year-old junior, said her good friend sat next to Cruz in biology class last year and that he would regularly show her photos of dead animals.
“Whoever he sat next to in class he would show pics of animals that he hunted,” she said.
Two classmates said they saw Cruz wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat.
“I saw him wear a Trump hat,” said Sebastian Gonzalez, a 19-year-old who graduated in 2017.
Ocean Parodie, a 17-year-old junior, said Cruz was politically extreme.
“For example, he would degrade Islamic people as terrorists and bombers. I’ve seen him wear a Trump hat,” Parodie said.
Josh Charo, a 16-year-old junior who was in JROTC with Cruz, said he often expressed racist beliefs.
“He would always talk about how he felt whites were a bit higher than everyone,” Charo said. “He’d be like, ‘My people are over here industrializing the world and starting new things, while your people [meaning blacks and Latinos] are just taking up space.’”
The self-professed neo-Nazi accused of barreling a car through a crowd of people protesting a white supremacist rally that killed one woman in Charlottesville over the summer is now being charged with first-degree murder.
James Alex Fields Jr. made his first extended court appearance in Charlottesville on Thursday where the charge was announced.
He’s been behind bars since the violent “Unite the Right” rally which killed 32-year-old Heather Heyer, a paralegal peacefully protesting the Aug. 12 event.
The Ohio 20-year-old was charged with second-degree murder, malicious wounding and felonious assault for allegedly driving into demonstrators and causing the deadly crash, which left another 19 injured.
“We’re trying to but he’s chasing us around the house,” she replied. “He’s mad about something on the internet about leftist pedophiles and he thinks we’re leftist and he’s calling us pedophiles. And I don’t know what all.”
Catherine laughed. “He just lives on the internet and he gets really worked up about everything that’s going on. He needs an intervention of some kind here.”
Police were on their way, the dispatcher told Catherine, and she hung up. But Charles’s phone kept recording.
On the 12-minute audio file later recovered by Skagit County Detective Kevin Sigman, a manic Lane, enraged by his mother’s 911 call, says, “OK well, so here’s the deal. If I am going to go to prison for threatening to kill somebody, I mean…”
“Leave the knife alone,” Charles says while his mother tries to reassure him: No one wants to send him to prison, they just want some help.
Lane doesn’t seem to hear or believe his mother. “So, you are going to send me to prison?” he asks. “My life is over.”
Minutes later, Catherine called 911 again. The audio recording is hard to hear. In it, Catherine is running and the portable phone she’s using breaks up. Catherine screams “He stabbed him!” before the connection is lost.
As the 73-year-old maritime lawyer and grandfather of two lay bleeding on the back deck, stabbed by his son in the chest and the back with a chef’s knife, Lane walked outside, dropped his weapon and stood with his hands in the air, waiting for police to arrive.
Catherine called 911 once more. “He’s dead, he’s dead, he’s dead.”

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@kylebiddle  
First off, crime isn’t inherently bad  
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Secondly, individuals can definitely pull themselves out of tough situations without committing crimes  
But here’s the thing, if most people can do it, then they would  
To blame crime as an individual problem is fucking stupid and we have seen the consequences of doing it with tougher sentencing laws doing NOTHING to stop crime
 
Focus on the material conditions which force people to commit crimes
 
And even then, Cops still fucking target black people for idiotic reasons and they got away with it every single time  
Philando Castile, Freddie Gray, Rodney King, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice and the list goes on and on
 
That’s what BLM is about, to fight the racism inherent within all sectors of American Society  
Does BLM have flaws ? Yes, but they still are somewhat progressive in their cause

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@kylebiddle
Self-applied labels won’t always be correct.
 
That is literally my whole argument. You can call yourself whatever you want, there’s nothing stopping someone calling themselves a feminist but acting completely differently from what the definition of a feminist actually is, which is why instead of using these labels you should use your own words, thoughts, opinions, and ideas, and base your arguments on that, and not descriptions.
 
When making an argument it’s essential that you make your position clear and that can get lost when you use these terms of which the definition is often inconsistent with actual behavior or belief. Make sense?

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you are what you are doesn’t matter what the definitions say.
 
Put down the dictionary, the academic papers, whatever, and speak directly from the heart; and keep in mind the negative connotations of words despite what the actual technical definitions say, you avoid confusion that way.
 
Is the catfish a cat?  
Is the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea any of what its first three labels say?  
Self-applied labels won’t always be correct.  
And sometimes we need academic or official definitions, because, otherwise, we wouldn’t be able to substantiate our definitions of certain words.

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@BadgingBadger  
It’s perceived as a toxic ideology because people who call themselves social justice warriors engage in toxic behavior. Duh. The technical academic definitions don’t matter, you should say what you actually mean so as to avoid confusion instead of saying ‘well technically the defintion is..blahblahblah’
 
it’s the same reason feminists give for calling themselves feminists but not conforming to the actual definition of feminism. There is no feminism card or social justice card, it’s not a club, you are what you are doesn’t matter what the definitions say. Anyone can call themselves a social justice warrior or be in favor of social justice, same with feminism, and therein lies the problem.
 
[bq]Here’s Investopedia’s definition of it, as an example.
Self-identified advocates of social justice are often at odds with each other over specific policies and priorities, but share a broad vision of an ideal society in which no one race, class, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity or language group is singled out for oppression or enjoys special privileges.[/bq@)]
This has practically always been the case for leftism, from marxism, to social democracy, to anarchism, to feminism, to modern liberal leftism.
Already pointed out why the actual academic definitions don’t matter.
Put down the dictionary, the academic papers, whatever, and speak directly from the heart; and keep in mind the negative connotations of words despite what the actual technical definitions say, you avoid confusion that way.

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it’s a toxic ideology and everyone can see it,
 
No. It’s perceived as a toxic ideology, and most people perceive it as that, because they made up their mind from partialist sources.  
Social justice isn’t just a term resuming itself to “SJW behaviour”, there are conotations, deeper meanings, and academic definitions as to what it is. Here’s Investopedia’s definition of it, as an example.  
[bq]Self-identified advocates of social justice are often at odds with each other over specific policies and priorities, but share a broad vision of an ideal society in which no one race, class, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity or language group is singled out for oppression or enjoys special privileges.[/bq@)
This has practically always been the case for leftism, from marxism, to social democracy, to anarchism, to feminism, to modern liberal leftism.

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@BadgingBadger  
Why are we calling it social justice if it’s a good thing? Keeping in mind all the negative connotations associated with the term? It’s not a good thing, it’s a toxic ideology and everyone can see it, and we’ve had enough! What exactly do YOU mean by ‘social justice’? Fairness? Then say that, nobody is against people being treated fairly, and given the same opportunities as everyone else.

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@BadgingBadger  
I’m not talking about The Left, I’m talking about social justice, and this is what comes to my mind because this is what I see. That’s not a bold claim, that’s just how normal people view these whackos. Why anyone would choose to call themselves a social justice warrior or feminist unironically I don’t understand because of all the negativity surrounding the terms I’ve just laid out. That’s not a claim that’s just an opinion, backed up by personal experience and wisdom, I could give you some examples of social justice ruining everything, but is that the claim that’s really in dispute here?

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@kylebiddle
Ah yes, there totally isn’t a problem with black people being more likely to be arrested for drug offenses even though they have the same rates of drug use as white people
 
There’s a great solution do that, it’s called don’t do drugs. Or if you’re going to do them, have a little bit of common sense and do them away from where cops are likely to be, like in public.  
And do you also mean the America which has stagnant wages despite growing productivity, growing income inequality, high amounts of wage theft and that black people live in terrible conditions
Can you really blame them for committing crimes ?
 
Yes I can and will because that’s not an excuse. I already addressed this point, america is not as bad as you’re making it sound.  
But keep on blaming individuals instead of systemic problems, I’m sure that will change the world !
 
Yeah screw personal responsibility, it’s always someone else’s fault, right? Black people don’t have free will; they’re helpless, they don’t know anybody, black people are like children. Can you not see how that is condescendingly racist towards black people? I hold them to the same standards as everyone else, if I can do it, they can do it. Period, end of story. I am NOT saying there are no problems with the justice system, so stop putting words into my mouth thank you very much.
Individualism and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the Left
 
There’s nothing wrong with needing and getting extra help when you need it, this is not a black and white (hur hur hur) issue, both can be true at the same time. It’s not yes or no, 1 or 0, have some nuance.

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