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Vauria

Went looking for what tag to apply for when a pony has their tail held up, stumbled into quite a mess.

tail holder — seems like the main tag for what I wanted
tail tied — used sporadically for the same thing, as well as the two images were two characters had their tails tied together
intertwined tails — a better fit for a few of tail tied, though I feel like there are far fewer images with it than their should be. Also please alias 'tails intertwined'
tied tail — just a mess
tail bondage — same thing again, as well as instances where the tail is used to wrap someone up
tail wrap — actually has a description, "A binding wrapped around the base of a character's tail."
tailband — like the above
tail cuff — like the above again but as a cuff?
tail ring — like the above but jewellery
tail accessory — could maybe become a catch all, basically empty at the moment
tail bow — what a lot of the above would be better tagged as, has a description
raised tail — well used, only comment being it implies tail which seems like a pointless tag given how many images are missing it
tail lift — the above but active?
tail hold — implies prehensile tail, but hardly half are tagged to match

and then not strictly related, but tail penetration and tail sex, tail mouth and tailmouth.

I cleaned up tied and bondage as they only had about 40 images each, moving most into holder, except the few where the tail was used as a restraint. Only after that did I realise tail wrap had a description, and it wasn't what I thought it was. I assumed it was like hairbands, but in tails, like the band AJ uses to tie hers up. I moved a few in there myself, and some that fit it's description into tail holder, but there's far more than just what the description implies under that tag. tailband would better fit what I was looking for, but that tag is at only 20, and many of them fit tail wrap. Then I finally went and searched *tail*, which lead to the extensive list above…

So I think there's definitely a lot of cleaning, retagging, merging, describing, aliasing and implies'ing to be done, but I don't know the best way to reduce things. As a start at least for the descriptions and which to keep:

tailband: A hairband used on a tail, like seen on Applejack
tail ring: Jewellery wrapped around a tail
tail cuff: Like a collar or leather/metal cuff used on a tail
tail wrap: As is
tail bow: As is
tail accessory: Implied by all the above

tail holder: When something is used to keep a character's tail raised (this could be implied by tail wrap, as that almost always the effect of raising their tail, although the wrappings aren't as intrinsically lewd).
tail tied to collar: (this is a pretty common flavour of tail holding, and maybe deserves its own tag, implying tail holder)

and then there are creatures with non-hair tails like snakes and seaponies, which should be treated differently? Maybe? I'm so lost.
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Background Pony #4485
Staff of this site have multiple alt accounts with moderation powers they use to avoid criticism and make it confusing, if not impossible, to tell who said what when looking at the post history of mods and admins. As with Joey and Blossomforth or with Luna and Princess Celestia. Use one account and stick to it. Don't make a new account just because you said something people didn't like.
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Aurora Glide

"edit" is meant to be used on images that are edits of third party content.
"edited screencap" is used on edits of official content and therefore shouldn't imply "edit".
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Background Pony #F32F
I have noticed that all of the artwork done by Saurian are gone. Those anybody have any idea on why this is happening, or better yet when this occurred.
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Frosku
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Artist -
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - Uploader of 10+ images with 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)

Vox Exercitus
There seem to be two main schools of thought when it comes to what I should see on Derpibooru. The first school of thought, which has been the status quo up until now, is that Derpibooru should largely serve as a free market of ideas where people can post (mostly) anything that's on topic and within the law, and that you as a user are responsible for deciding what you want to see on the site via the filtration system. The only responsibility this places on the artists, uploaders, and moderators is to enforce that images are tagged correctly so that the filters work as intended.

The second school of thought is that some expression is not fit for consumption by anyone. That is, even if you want to draw those topics or see art around those topics, that decision should not be yours to make because they are inherently harmful to minority groups. Filtration, under this school of thought, is somewhat like turning a blind eye to its existence whilst still tacitly allowing it to go unchecked. This group argues that limiting creativity away from these subjects is a price worth paying to ensure that the content isn't available.

The first school argue that the second school are unnecessarily restrictive, that art deserves special protection from censorship, and that there is a place for uncomfortable symbolism in creative works. World War II movies and videogames, they argue, would not be nearly as impactful without their brutal depictions of Nazis complete with swastikas and associated iconography.

The second school argue that the first school are putting their principle before other users' safety. Unchecked hate speech, they argue, could be a recruitment tool for Nazis and other violent extremists, and serve to normalize horrific ideas. Some, though from what I can tell they are a vocal minority, in the second group argue that anyone who wants to see depictions of Nazis allowed to remain on Derpibooru must themselves be Nazis.

There are definitely nuances between individuals' views as to what should be allowed and what shouldn't. Most people that I've interacted with would agree with or be willing to tolerate a ban on
calls to violence, low effort shitposts, and direct attacks on other members of the community. From there though, we largely break into two categories: those who would rather follow a "first amendment" approach to artwork, and those who believe that Derpibooru as a platform should offer a more curated and inclusive experience, even if that comes at the cost of limiting freedom of expression.

What that ultimately leaves you with is an uncomfortable choice: do you want (nearly) complete freedom of expression within the law, along with the chance that something on the site might be perceived as harmful, offensive, or even dangerous; or would you prefer to have more limits on creativity which in turn create less potential for other users to be uncomfortable? I don't think there is a perfect answer here, I do think that we would all serve ourselves and our community better by admitting that it's difficult, and it's not "the Nazis" on one side and "the screeching SJWs" on the other, and I admit I have been a part of this at times and will endeavor to do better.

I really hope I've summed up both arguments fairly and without bias — please let me know if you think I haven't captured your argument or have made a straw man of it, I want to have a constructive debate (and with the exception of some rude background ponies on both sides, I think we have had constructive debates) about where the responsibility lies for a person's comfort, and whether uncomfortable art depicting hateful symbolism should be allowed to have a platform at all.
CottonCloudy
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends
An Artist Who Rocks - 100+ images under their artist tag
Artist -

I don't know where to post this in the Forums since I don't use them often but one of my posts disappeared and I can't find it anywhere? It was an explicit colored sketch of two anthro ponies and it just seems like it's not there? It didn't seem to break any rules as far as I know
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Frosku
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Artist -
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - Uploader of 10+ images with 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)

Vox Exercitus
You've seen the results of the internal staff poll on what should be deleted and what shouldn't, as well as the feedback thread. You've heard all of the opinions which have been shared. We don't know the specifics yet, but we know the general direction of travel: things will be more censored than they were before, but Aryanne will not be entirely banned.

What do you think of what's being proposed (expanding rule 0 enforcement to ban what some consider to be an inconsistent subset of nazi imagery)?

Edit: this poll is now being brigaded by Twitter. It would be nice if staff could give us a count for votes from accounts that existed before the post was made.

Edit 2: stsyn ran some analysis on the poll after Twitter and 4chan both seemingly brigaded the post. It looks like whether you look at all votes, or only votes from active and older users, or even only votes from artists, you end up with a similar outcome:

Iamunknown
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Bronze Patron - Bronze Patron
Happy Derpy! -

TSP = AFU
It's difficult to have an actual conversation when mods seem to R'6 anything other than a vote on their poll when there are many other concerns users may have.

This thread is a more general version of this thread created for the purpose of discussing things related to the poll, moderator / admin actions, questions about how the vote was conducted and other things being "deep 6'd" in the other thread.
Frosku
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Artist -
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - Uploader of 10+ images with 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)

Vox Exercitus
Principle seems to be an idea which is rapidly vanishing from public discourse. By painting the debate as "pro-Nazi" vs "anti-Nazi", the insinuation is that anyone who doesn't want to see Aryanne or other edgy OCs banned agrees with Nazi ideology. The reality is that the vast majority of us actually aren't Nazis — we aren't the ones calling for book burning, after all — we're concerned pony fans who:

- understand that freedom of expression exists specifically to protect that speech which is most offensive (you don't need to protect free speech for popular opinions);
- opine that the primary purpose of Derpibooru is to serve as an archive of pony art (deleting things from an archive seems like a weird thing to do); and
- understand that the woke mob will not stop at Aryanne, Trump hats and Confederate flags will be next.

This goes far beyond Derpibooru. We, as a people, stand at a crossroads between the ideas of Voltaire, Christopher Hitchens and Noam Chomsky — "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" — and the ideals of Trigglypuff. I implore the staff to head up a full-throated defense, not of Aryanne or Nazism or hate, but of the principle of free expression which founded liberal democracy, and against the censorious ideals of theocracies, totalitarian dictatorships, and lynch mobs throughout history.

The debate, therefore, is between people in favor of Derpibooru remaining — as it always has — as an archive of the history of pony artwork, and people in favor of Derpibooru becoming a political platform for their opinions exclusively. Librarians vs book burners.

In 2020, you can still buy a copy of Mein Kampf — the actual text that founded Hitler's Nazism. You can also buy books written by Stalin, Marx, Pinochet, and all other manner of terrible people preaching terrible ideologies. It would seem to me that those books have a significant amount more potential to cause people to adopt hateful and violent ideologies than a candy-colored pony who wouldn't be too far out of place in an episode of South Park. As far as I know, there are zero recorded incidents of anyone seeing even the most offensive depictions of Aryanne and deciding to sign up on the Daily Stormer or stock up on Zyklon B.

From my (admittedly limited, as I have the tag blocked) experiences of comments on Aryanne threads, most of them are full of edgy humor. Edgy humor may not be your thing, but enjoying darker jokes doesn't make someone a Nazi. I'm a Jew, some of the most offensive holocaust and Jew stereotype jokes I've heard were from other Jews. Most of us know not to take ourselves or the world so seriously as to assume that humor and memeing are hateful in intent. Mainstream TV shows like American Dad, Family Guy, South Park, The Simpsons etc have depicted discrimination by empathetic characters, that doesn't mean the writers are in favor of it.

It's also important to understand global differences in culture. In Japan, for example, it's not that uncommon to have empathetic Nazi characters — Schrodinger from Hellsing is the most obvious example. The Internet (and therefore Derpibooru) is global, and to enforce western norms of what is and isn't acceptable in artistic expression — when even the west doesn't agree on those norms — on a global community makes no sense.

So, I ask you, do you honestly believe the average person who consumes art of Aryanne is a Nazi or sympathetic to National Socialism?
Background Pony #D2C4
No judgement of any of you. But honestly, I hope that at least someone still keep an opinion against that weak ideology outside of here while also being part of the "pro-free speech" side on derpibooru.
If you are one of them, please let your voice be heard on this thread.
YourPalWaver
Wallet After Summer Sale -

high altitude cloud pone
I have seen 1 major problem in the ongoing discussion over the recent derpibooru policy; people keep to their "in" group on either 4-chan or Twitter. In this thread im hoping to have calm discussion on our belifs to lower the animosity towards eachother and maybe change some minds. Other people are welcome to join in. Keep in mind this is not a debate forum, just a thread to rationalize and discuss our point of view

Some simple thread rules-

1. Keep it civil

2. Avoid dogpiling simply so we dont ostracize anyone. I dont want another echochamber.

Check back to see any rule changes just to keep things calm
Princess Luna
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Economist -
A Perfectly Normal Pony - <%Nebulon> Yeah, just fetch me a smaller anus, sweetie.
Magnificent Metadata Maniac - #1 Assistant
From the Night -

Site Administrator
Site Developer
Tag Czar
This is to centralize feedback on our current policy refinement. This thread is not for arguing who is and is not a Nazi, the validity of any DNPs, etc., but only on whether you think the policy is good or bad, and why. We will not hesitate to delete posts trying to get into political arguments with others.

The WIP policy idea is as follows: "Content containing blatant hate speech, or promotion of or propaganda for prejudicial views". It is far from final.

Results of internal polls can be found here

WIP redrafting of Rule 0 based on feedback so far:
- Do not post content that is intended or likely to incite arguments or unruliness. Leeway may be given for artistic value.
- Do not call for harming others.
- Do not harass others. This can include namecalling, slanderous speech, or other forms of abusive language.
- Do not discriminate or advocate for it (such as using a mouthpiece to say racism is good).
- Criticism is welcome and encouraged when done so in a constructive and helpful manner. However, using baseless, unconstructive criticism as a veil for the purpose of insulting or attacking an image and/or an artist is not allowed.
- This rule applies to all images, comments, forum posts, and private messages, along with all other interactions you may make on this website.
Princess Luna
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Economist -
A Perfectly Normal Pony - <%Nebulon> Yeah, just fetch me a smaller anus, sweetie.
Magnificent Metadata Maniac - #1 Assistant
From the Night -

Site Administrator
Site Developer
Tag Czar
This thread is to share some information on internal polling conducted to better define Rule #0 in relation to borderline content.

3 polls were conducted among staff to consider a variety of images against the WIP policy of not allowing "Content containing blatant hate speech, or promotion of or propaganda for prejudicial views".

I will be making a post for each poll's result, 3 in total, showing nearest-whole-number percentages (simple majority; 51% decides). Images under "Rule #0" are ones we thought should be deleted under the WIP policy, and "Not Rule #0" are okay it; this will be used to get a more final policy, at which point the images will be reviewed again.
This thread is locked to keep it easy to read; feedback should go to this thread.
Iamunknown
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Bronze Patron - Bronze Patron
Happy Derpy! -

TSP = AFU
Hi all, it seems nearly all groups have had their respective threads (DNPs on both sides, posts from users and very little from mods) but I haven't seen one for Patreons yet. To that end, this thread is to bring awareness to the fact that Derpibooru is very much funded through their Patreon page it serves to offset costs of running an archive of pony history.

If you are not happy with one or any the following, I urge you to pull your pledge from Derpibooru's Patreon. This site is funded by the fandom, used by the fandom and survives with our continuous generosity and charity. I urge you to consider if these actions are valid uses of both your money and your endorsement:

1. Shadowbanning 600+ users for downvoting certain tag combinations
2. "Invisible mods" that don't show up on staff pages
3. TSP's ultimatums
4. TSP marking individuals for targeting via a "mystery badge"
5. Poor treatment of certain individuals both on the mod team and in the community by admins
6. Terrible communication to the community resulting in broken trust
7. Something you care about greatly (Please @ me and I'll begin compiling)

Remember, at the end of the day TSP controls the servers but we control the cashflow. If you're a shmuck like me who is or has been a patreon, (5+ years in my case) please consider joining this pledge to drop your pledge unless these issues are addressed.
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