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Could we get a standardization on the leg anatomy tags? Hellahoof has been spamming them all over the place, and it seems like their method of choosing which of the several tags they’ve made up is extremely arbitrary, and is pretty obviously being used to criticize rather than make it easier to search.
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I mean, I don’t really see the issue with adding accessory tags if it’s supposed to be the minority or the ratio is closer to even. Apple bloom for instance, is virtually always wearing her bow, and often in fanart. Trixie on the other hand, almost assuredly has more "naked" images on site then with full ensemble(also she has two pieces involved in her outfit, so Trixie’s hat/cape in particular are more useful for searching). I feel stuff like ’Rarity’s glasses’ are similar non-issues. Just a subset of a character in a similar vein to implied tags.
If the problem is seeing the item sans associated character, excluding the character or adding a tag like ’clothing swap’ could do the job fine.
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one of the tags they’re pushing is "straightened thighs" which seems to be their term for then the thigh and gaskin are elongated and rounder, closer to a human’s than an equine’s anatomy

there’s also "flat torso", "short neck", "humanoid legs" and others along with their own upload


Maybe they should just remove "pony" and add "semi-anthro" on the pictures, since the anatomical tags they’re adding are basically their criteria for distinguishing semi-anthros from ponies.
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Then there should be a standardized criteria for everything. If you look at their favorites, they don’t add their tags, despite pictures like this one or this one obviously meeting the "elongated thighs and gaskin" criteria of ’straight thighs’, which makes me think this is just a means of passive-aggressive criticism.
This user has already been complained about before for apparently getting into a tag war.
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The issue with the accessory tags is that they seem to implicitly work in a very different way from the rest of the site’s tags, but this is not something that’s really made clear.

Most tags referring to something in the image (i.e. not artist/editor tags, tags about the comment sections, meta tags and so on) are supposed to be added on any given images which features the thing the tag represents, right? So if an image contains Applejack you tag it applejack, if an image contains a pony you tag it pony, if an image contains an apple tree you tag it apple tree, if an image contains Twilight’s old treehouse you tag it golden oaks library, and on and so forth, and this is generally understood as proper tagging practice.

The you have accessory tags, and in this case the way to tag them is supposed to be that you add the tag to images that contain this thing but not when it’s being worn by the character it’s associated with. This is a rather different system from the usual, since in most situations adding a tag to an image that clearly and unambiguously contains that tag’s subject is proper tagging. There’s no real situation in which an image which obviously contains Applejack is mistagged if tagged applejack.

The result, and the reason why I think this issue keeps coming up, is that people assume that the accessory tags work like every other tag does; they seen an image with Sweet Apple Acres and tag it sweet apple acres, they seen one with Applejack and tag it applejack, they see one with Applejack’s hat and tag it applejack’s hat.

Compounding the problem is that what I imagine is the most reliable way of telling most users that the accessory tags do not work in the same way as the rest of the site’s tags, namely tag descriptions, do not mention any of this. There’s no description for applejack’s hat or apple bloom’s bow or trixie’s hat or trixie’s cape or sunburst’s robe stating anything about their intended usage, which leaves osmotic acquisition of knowledge through threads, commented sections and/or PMs the only way a given user can learn about the proper usage of accessory tags. This is not, as I think we can all imagine, a terribly efficient way of disseminating information.

The point I’m trying to make is that it’s all well and good to complain about persistent mistagging, but when the issue is that the bulk of the site’s users do not inherently understand an admittedly counterintuitive concept that they do not have any particularly convenient way of learning, perhaps we either need to adjust our tagging guidelines or actually make it possible for people to learn what the intended guidelines are with something resembling convenience.

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I don’t think that ahuizotl’s cats really counts as an accessory tag. Associated with a specific character they may be, but it’s a tag for a group of characters, not an object. They aren’t an accessory any more than the royal guard are.

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Come to think of it, Trixie doesn’t really wear her getup very often anymore, does she? She certainly didn’t have it out in "All Bottled Up"; in "On the Road to Friendship" she only had it out when performing or right after a show, and in "Student Counsel" she only had it on during the Everfree scenes. She just goes naked most of the time.
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Yeah I see no issue with tagging specific accessory tags on any image with them, regardless of who’s wearing them.
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For images such as


Is there a tag for this? Or should they be tagged with "Humanized equestria girl"? Tagging just "human, eqg" makes it very hard to distinguish if it was EQG mistagged as human, or actual EQG characters humanized.
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Cringing super hard at the thought of making it SOP to tag all default clothing and accessories being worn by their owners.

Literally 12,000+ alone of sci-twi, -glasses

This needs to be a decision made by a wider group than a few respondents to this thread.
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It just seems silly to tag Applejack’s hat as applejack’s hat when she’s wearing it, it’s so much a part of her character design that she gets a missing hat tag when she’s not wearing it; if someone else is wearing it, though, it’s an important distinction between applejack’s hat and just cowboy hat, especially if shipping is involved.
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If I were to search for "trixie’s hat", I would expect to find images where her hat stands out for some reason, not 80% of trixie images and then some…
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Should the mare tag (and stallion too I guess) be reserved for full pony, or can it be deployed on anthro/semi anthro as well?
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