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@The Equestrian Zodiac
I agree with this statement. I don’t even use the wiki.
I agree with this statement. I don’t even use the wiki.
General Tag Discussion
The Equestrian Zodiac
Witch Dagger!
@LightningBolt
I only use it for character images and that’s really it.
I only use it for character images and that’s really it.
Shayzorr 
Do part of a series and part of a set apply to comics, or should it be assumed that comics by default are part of a continuity or a set if they belong to a named series?
>>2214945 for example has a series name and both of these tags.
The vast majority of comics have neither.
>>2214945 for example has a series name and both of these tags.
The vast majority of comics have neither.
Pulse Wave
As proven with Princess Erroria.
Busy procrastinating
@Pulse Wave
I don’t really think we should consider the wiki higher than the fandom, considering the wikis run by members of the fandom (that and, it’s just me, but I take issue with some of the names over on the wiki as well and the fact its painfully easy to vote manipulate on Reddit too).
As proven with Princess Erroria.
Brokedownandmadeone 
BigThirsty ponybooru.org
@rannius
to add to that,
to add to that,
ponut, applejack's hat, on back, missionary position, doggy style, flying, sweatdrop, bipedal, mare, licking cock
cheezedoodle 
If it’s an untitled comic that doesn’t have its own unique comic: tag then part of a set/series is certainly appropriate. I’ll be damned if I know what the difference between part of a set and part of a series is, though. They are synonyms. If I had to guess, part of a set is for all pics by the same artist and part of a series might include stuff from other artists in the same theme?
If it does have its own unique comic: tag then part of a * aren’t hurting anything but aren’t strictly necessary.
Moderator
TagZombie: AC15, Atk +8
Do part of a series and part of a set apply to comics, or should it be assumed that comics by default are part of a continuity or a set if they belong to a named series?
>>2214945 for example has a series name and both of these tags.
The vast majority of comics have neither.
If it’s an untitled comic that doesn’t have its own unique comic: tag then part of a set/series is certainly appropriate. I’ll be damned if I know what the difference between part of a set and part of a series is, though. They are synonyms. If I had to guess, part of a set is for all pics by the same artist and part of a series might include stuff from other artists in the same theme?
If it does have its own unique comic: tag then part of a * aren’t hurting anything but aren’t strictly necessary.
Frustration in Excelsis
Worldbuilding Addict
@cheezedoodle
Personally, I tend to assume that part of a set refers to things that are thematically related but not directly linked (such as a group of designs following a specific theme but without being causally linked, for instance, or scenes set in a shared setting but without an implied or explicit narrative) whereas part of a series refers to something with a clearer temporal connection running through it (like what’d get a “comic:” prefix if it had a title).
Mind, that’s entirely based on my own understanding of what “set” and “series” mean rather than hard evidence of how those tags are used in practice.
Personally, I tend to assume that part of a set refers to things that are thematically related but not directly linked (such as a group of designs following a specific theme but without being causally linked, for instance, or scenes set in a shared setting but without an implied or explicit narrative) whereas part of a series refers to something with a clearer temporal connection running through it (like what’d get a “comic:” prefix if it had a title).
Mind, that’s entirely based on my own understanding of what “set” and “series” mean rather than hard evidence of how those tags are used in practice.
cheezedoodle
Moderator
TagZombie: AC15, Atk +8
@Frustration in Excelsis
Well the difficulty there is part of a series implies part of a set
@rannius
Did all that
@Brokedownandmadeone
and that
@DR35
and that
Well the difficulty there is part of a series implies part of a set
@rannius
Did all that
@Brokedownandmadeone
and that
@DR35
and that
TexasUberAlles 
@Frustration in Excelsis
part of a series means it’s part of a set, but needs to be read in a certain order. A bunch of Pencils art released at the same time featuring Ponies posing with Green Anon would be part of a set, for example, while pages of Anon’s Pie Adventures are part of a series.
part of a series means it’s part of a set, but needs to be read in a certain order. A bunch of Pencils art released at the same time featuring Ponies posing with Green Anon would be part of a set, for example, while pages of Anon’s Pie Adventures are part of a series.
TheArtisanDude
NSFW tagging discussion on a specific image ||>>2214966 (deleted) Recently this image has undergone some tagging usage related issues that might also have to extend into redefining some tag description and aliases for clarity. This is going to get complicated but please read through this and let me know if I can do something to make this more readable as a whole. Early apologies if the flow gets broken or awkward, I spent a long time writing and researching proper usages of just about every related topic within to make sure we were on the right track. So there was plenty of jumping around the whole thing as it was being written. Oversimplified TLDR version on bottom of spoiler because this reached about 1,200 words.
The image itself was commissioned by the user Shello who states in a comment of the NSFW image “But he’s still a stallion. He’d still sound like a guy, be a guy, just with tits. I am the commissioner of the image, so I know the content.”
However here is where issues really begin to crop up. Out of respect for the comissioner’s wishes, I have left the tags as is for now. But this requires proper discussion and clarification and appropriate tagging by something and some one more official given how this is going back and forth. Looking at the image we can reasonably draw our own interpretations and implications for tag searching. Such as some of the overlapping criteria that would occur between shining armor, busty boy, intersex, male and gleaming shield, rule 63, futa gleaming shield. As these sets of tags have reasonable usage and overlapping implication for something including boobs and a penis with variations between a more masculine form and feminine form.
The additional variations I am thinking of in detail, primarily being the shoulder width, bust waist and hip measurement, facial structure, and the presence or lack of an Adam’s apple, with their own implications between things like humanized, anthro and pony. Yet despite this the tags gleaming shield, rule 63, and futa gleaming shield have been removed twice now. Even after futa gleaming shield was originally added by a staff member as noted in the tag changes I haven’t seen them say anything yet, and I don’t think anyone really noticed that the addition was originally from a staff member so that likely needs to be added to the discussion.
After doing much legwork and research to try to make it easier for everyone I think I have the answer
Starting with the practical portion. Personally I would find an image like this easier to recognize and search for or exclude with the matching criteria of gleaming shield, rule 63, futa. Since it would be more widely accessible for those who might seek a form of a genderbent shining armor with the relation of futa character(s) anywhere in it but also has matching criteria which overlap with and imply forms of art or explicit imagery with the character searched such as futa on futa. Particularly if you just search futa and its official short description is “Beings with feminine characteristics and penises, including hermaphrodites” with an implied tag of intersex. Which in itself the official short description of futa implies futa gleaming shield here. Even if considered male, there are feminine characteristics with a penis. As such I would find simply calling it a futa gleaming shield far more understandable and practical than shining armor, male, futa, busty boy.
My reasoning may be reproduced and shown in practice and is based on the rules stated in the guidelines help section as well as when you search a single tag to show their alias and implied tags. The tag description of alias or implied tags of rule 63 come into play when you start adding female or feminine features to Shining Armor which is also when Gleaming Shield tag starts coming into play,which in itself officially implies rule 63. Rule 63 has many aliases but gender bend and gender swap I feel we can reasonably conclude means a partial bending of some form to a full swap of gender. If it includes boobs and a penis on shining armor it becomes futa gleaming shield which is the specific tag for a futa of this character and so far implies the tags “futa, intersex, gleaming shield, rule 63, shining armor, and futa gleaming shield” If you look from futa gleaming shield tag you can see how its implied tags chain together. This is due to the mix that is futa, which with the additional female features have include shining armor and futa gleaming shield tags to clarify not only the source character, but the fan named genderbent version of it, more specifically one that retains a penis. The official derpibooru description of futa being “Beings with feminine characteristics and penises, including hermaphrodites” as it’s short description is shown upon searching the tag “futa” alone.
Futa implies the tag intersex. Intersex has no official derpibooru description but has a concrete definitions in dictionaries like the Merriam Webster dictionary. If compelled to draw more of a line between masculine or feminine forms some form of measurement and taggings between primary and secondary sex characteristics would need to be made but by this point we are really starting to over complicate this and adding clutter. The presence of an Adam’s apple is dubious in particular on this image due to the oral action going on. In my impression I also find the body as a whole more feminine than masculine in general and due to the face in line with the art style of other feminine futa characters in the image Twilight Velvet, Twilight Sparkle, and Princess Cadence. Typically the feminine or female faces being rounded rather than squared. In addition the thicker thighs and more detailed feminine styled eyelashes. Generally I feel more female secondary sex characteristics are shown than male. For examples of differences primary and secondary characteristics please consult your preferred search engine on the physiological traits as it gets LONG if you go in depth.
Yet despite this all being said the gleaming shield, rule 63 which implies a degree of genderbent characters from partial to a full swap, and futa gleaming shield, and other related tags have been removed twice. Even though they have overlapping criteria with intersex, shining armor, busty boy.
Here is where we start delving into what might need to be a tag redefining for clarity. futa in tag guideline help is specifically described as “ a female, but with a penis; counts as its own gender for gender-based tags” Should that explicitly include something like “a male but with boobs, a female but with a penis; counts as its own gender for gender based tags” Or simply use the official tag description found when you only search the tag futa? “Beings with feminine characteristics and penises, including hermaphrodites” I think that last option seems the easiest to understand.
tldr version key tags gleaming shield, rule 63, futa gleaming shield have been removed repeatedly despite relevant application on NSFW image >>2214966 (deleted) . Please clarify and make the appropriate tag changes officially by staff. ||
The image itself was commissioned by the user Shello who states in a comment of the NSFW image “But he’s still a stallion. He’d still sound like a guy, be a guy, just with tits. I am the commissioner of the image, so I know the content.”
However here is where issues really begin to crop up. Out of respect for the comissioner’s wishes, I have left the tags as is for now. But this requires proper discussion and clarification and appropriate tagging by something and some one more official given how this is going back and forth. Looking at the image we can reasonably draw our own interpretations and implications for tag searching. Such as some of the overlapping criteria that would occur between shining armor, busty boy, intersex, male and gleaming shield, rule 63, futa gleaming shield. As these sets of tags have reasonable usage and overlapping implication for something including boobs and a penis with variations between a more masculine form and feminine form.
The additional variations I am thinking of in detail, primarily being the shoulder width, bust waist and hip measurement, facial structure, and the presence or lack of an Adam’s apple, with their own implications between things like humanized, anthro and pony. Yet despite this the tags gleaming shield, rule 63, and futa gleaming shield have been removed twice now. Even after futa gleaming shield was originally added by a staff member as noted in the tag changes I haven’t seen them say anything yet, and I don’t think anyone really noticed that the addition was originally from a staff member so that likely needs to be added to the discussion.
After doing much legwork and research to try to make it easier for everyone I think I have the answer
Starting with the practical portion. Personally I would find an image like this easier to recognize and search for or exclude with the matching criteria of gleaming shield, rule 63, futa. Since it would be more widely accessible for those who might seek a form of a genderbent shining armor with the relation of futa character(s) anywhere in it but also has matching criteria which overlap with and imply forms of art or explicit imagery with the character searched such as futa on futa. Particularly if you just search futa and its official short description is “Beings with feminine characteristics and penises, including hermaphrodites” with an implied tag of intersex. Which in itself the official short description of futa implies futa gleaming shield here. Even if considered male, there are feminine characteristics with a penis. As such I would find simply calling it a futa gleaming shield far more understandable and practical than shining armor, male, futa, busty boy.
My reasoning may be reproduced and shown in practice and is based on the rules stated in the guidelines help section as well as when you search a single tag to show their alias and implied tags. The tag description of alias or implied tags of rule 63 come into play when you start adding female or feminine features to Shining Armor which is also when Gleaming Shield tag starts coming into play,which in itself officially implies rule 63. Rule 63 has many aliases but gender bend and gender swap I feel we can reasonably conclude means a partial bending of some form to a full swap of gender. If it includes boobs and a penis on shining armor it becomes futa gleaming shield which is the specific tag for a futa of this character and so far implies the tags “futa, intersex, gleaming shield, rule 63, shining armor, and futa gleaming shield” If you look from futa gleaming shield tag you can see how its implied tags chain together. This is due to the mix that is futa, which with the additional female features have include shining armor and futa gleaming shield tags to clarify not only the source character, but the fan named genderbent version of it, more specifically one that retains a penis. The official derpibooru description of futa being “Beings with feminine characteristics and penises, including hermaphrodites” as it’s short description is shown upon searching the tag “futa” alone.
Futa implies the tag intersex. Intersex has no official derpibooru description but has a concrete definitions in dictionaries like the Merriam Webster dictionary. If compelled to draw more of a line between masculine or feminine forms some form of measurement and taggings between primary and secondary sex characteristics would need to be made but by this point we are really starting to over complicate this and adding clutter. The presence of an Adam’s apple is dubious in particular on this image due to the oral action going on. In my impression I also find the body as a whole more feminine than masculine in general and due to the face in line with the art style of other feminine futa characters in the image Twilight Velvet, Twilight Sparkle, and Princess Cadence. Typically the feminine or female faces being rounded rather than squared. In addition the thicker thighs and more detailed feminine styled eyelashes. Generally I feel more female secondary sex characteristics are shown than male. For examples of differences primary and secondary characteristics please consult your preferred search engine on the physiological traits as it gets LONG if you go in depth.
Yet despite this all being said the gleaming shield, rule 63 which implies a degree of genderbent characters from partial to a full swap, and futa gleaming shield, and other related tags have been removed twice. Even though they have overlapping criteria with intersex, shining armor, busty boy.
Here is where we start delving into what might need to be a tag redefining for clarity. futa in tag guideline help is specifically described as “ a female, but with a penis; counts as its own gender for gender-based tags” Should that explicitly include something like “a male but with boobs, a female but with a penis; counts as its own gender for gender based tags” Or simply use the official tag description found when you only search the tag futa? “Beings with feminine characteristics and penises, including hermaphrodites” I think that last option seems the easiest to understand.
tldr version key tags gleaming shield, rule 63, futa gleaming shield have been removed repeatedly despite relevant application on NSFW image >>2214966 (deleted) . Please clarify and make the appropriate tag changes officially by staff. ||
Barhandar 
(twi|pony)booru.org
@TheArtisanDude
Actual tl;dr: there’s no visual difference between “futa” and “busty boy, trap”.
Therefore my opinion is that the latter should get tagged “futa” anyway, artist/owner’s opinion be damned, because people search/filter futa expecting female body, boobs, eyelashes, and dick, they usually don’t care about whether the character in question identifies as female (futa) or male (busty boy, trap).
P.S. Also as you’ve noted, “futa”‘s description doesn’t even specify gender (identification), just visuals (presentation).
P.P.S. Basically, it looks exactly like a duck, has the organs of a duck, and its quacking cannot be ascertained, why should it not be called a duck just because it doesn’t think it’s a duck? At most have a “transduck” tag also applied to it.
Also the “not a duck because doesn’t think it is” opens way to the “uwu I think I am a girl therefore you must call me female even though I keep swinging a massive dick at you~”.
Actual tl;dr: there’s no visual difference between “futa” and “busty boy, trap”.
Therefore my opinion is that the latter should get tagged “futa” anyway, artist/owner’s opinion be damned, because people search/filter futa expecting female body, boobs, eyelashes, and dick, they usually don’t care about whether the character in question identifies as female (futa) or male (busty boy, trap).
P.S. Also as you’ve noted, “futa”‘s description doesn’t even specify gender (identification), just visuals (presentation).
P.P.S. Basically, it looks exactly like a duck, has the organs of a duck, and its quacking cannot be ascertained, why should it not be called a duck just because it doesn’t think it’s a duck? At most have a “transduck” tag also applied to it.
Also the “not a duck because doesn’t think it is” opens way to the “uwu I think I am a girl therefore you must call me female even though I keep swinging a massive dick at you~”.
Background Pony #DCA9
there’s no visual difference
Depending on who draws it, 2 visual differences are male head/facial features, and male’s body.
So no. It’s not exactly the same, and I vote wholly against that merge.
So no. It’s not exactly the same, and I vote wholly against that merge.
Barhandar
Besides, there aren’t either of those in the pic linked.
(twi|pony)booru.org
male head/facial features, and male’s body
trap
Besides, there aren’t either of those in the pic linked.
Background Pony #DCA9
@Barhandar
So then by that logic, “trap” (as far as feminine looks go) should just be aliased to “flat chest, futa”.
Are you serious?
So then by that logic, “trap” (as far as feminine looks go) should just be aliased to “flat chest, futa”.
Are you serious?
Barhandar
(twi|pony)booru.org
@Panko Pai
“Femboy” doesn’t require eyelashes or outright female body.
@Background Pony #95DD
You can’t alias to two tags at same time, but yes, the only differences are boobs and opinion of the tagger.
“Femboy” doesn’t require eyelashes or outright female body.
@Background Pony #95DD
You can’t alias to two tags at same time, but yes, the only differences are boobs and opinion of the tagger.
saby 
Moderator
extra fun at parties
@Panko Pai
These two coexist due to politics. A lot of people don’t really care much about the terms, but there are some hardline proponents and opponents to the term “trap” due to its fandom use in reference to crossdressing feminine boys in especially Japanese visual media, and its use in reference to RL trans women, which connects to a lot of violence and murder.
So there are creators who will get pissy if you tag their feminine guy art with “trap”–and those who will get pissy if you use any synonymous tag besides “trap”.
Personally I wish we could have one unified tag, preferably “femboy” or “feminine male”. I’d even settle for “otoko no ko” because it lacks the violent connotations and implied deception yet should satisfy the fans of “trap”, but of course it’s not ideal for an English-language site.
@Barhandar
“Trap” doesn’t require eyelashes or wide hips or a soft chest either. Basically any not-markedly-masculine physique counts if a bit of makeup and cute clothes can create the girl look. Even within the doujin community the term “trap” (i.e. otoko no ko girl) has a range of physical features from “indistinguishable from a loli with a feminine penis” to “realistically androgynous adolescent human male”.
I’m partial to the more realistic end personally, and have been thinking of ways to sort feminine males by type. Woman-like wide hips really kill it for me but I’m not quite settled on a clear and concise name for tagging that.
These two coexist due to politics. A lot of people don’t really care much about the terms, but there are some hardline proponents and opponents to the term “trap” due to its fandom use in reference to crossdressing feminine boys in especially Japanese visual media, and its use in reference to RL trans women, which connects to a lot of violence and murder.
So there are creators who will get pissy if you tag their feminine guy art with “trap”–and those who will get pissy if you use any synonymous tag besides “trap”.
Personally I wish we could have one unified tag, preferably “femboy” or “feminine male”. I’d even settle for “otoko no ko” because it lacks the violent connotations and implied deception yet should satisfy the fans of “trap”, but of course it’s not ideal for an English-language site.
@Barhandar
“Trap” doesn’t require eyelashes or wide hips or a soft chest either. Basically any not-markedly-masculine physique counts if a bit of makeup and cute clothes can create the girl look. Even within the doujin community the term “trap” (i.e. otoko no ko girl) has a range of physical features from “indistinguishable from a loli with a feminine penis” to “realistically androgynous adolescent human male”.
I’m partial to the more realistic end personally, and have been thinking of ways to sort feminine males by type. Woman-like wide hips really kill it for me but I’m not quite settled on a clear and concise name for tagging that.
TheArtisanDude
@Barhandar
I think you managed to simplify this quite well. Since the tag (nsfw) ||futa has the official definition of “Beings with feminine characteristics and penises, including hermaphrodites” gender identity questions aside the sexual characteristics match the description. Therefore the tags in question should be left added. The tags implied system even match together to reinforce that. Additionally as you say, for the average user it makes way more sense given the more popular and understood usage. ||
I think you managed to simplify this quite well. Since the tag (nsfw) ||futa has the official definition of “Beings with feminine characteristics and penises, including hermaphrodites” gender identity questions aside the sexual characteristics match the description. Therefore the tags in question should be left added. The tags implied system even match together to reinforce that. Additionally as you say, for the average user it makes way more sense given the more popular and understood usage. ||
Litrojia 
Lately there’s been an increasing amount of YCHes where a ton of variations of the same image have been made. I really can’t stand them and would LOVE to have a tag to hide them. I’ve been starting to make tags for specific YCHes, such as sugar morning’s smiling ponies and pridark’s christmas ponies, but I don’t think this is a sustainable tactic. Is there an accepted term among the YCH community for this practice, and if not, is there a reasonable name for tagging these? “ych template” or “mass ych” perhaps?
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