Moonatik

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I was referring to the part of Chiapas that is effectively controlled by the Zapatista Army of National Liberation.

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Holy shit where do I even start? I just wanted to post a funny meme, man.

How about, look at literally every socialist country ever?

This idea that every socialist society ever resulted in tyranny is demonstrably false, my guy. There’s Revolutionary Catalonia, Rojava, Zapatista Chiapas, and many more if you can be bothered to look beyond the USSR and Voovoozela.

Chiapas, officially the Free and Sovereign State of Chiapas, is one of the 32 states that make up the 32 federal entities of Mexico.
Isn´t that like calling Florida Free and Sovereign?
Rojvana is from 2016, not sure if we can pull them in here they did not even last 1 generation at this point in time, but hey they are already last longer than Revolutionary Catalonia (21 July 1936 – 1939)

Communist China (1949–present) and USSR (1919–1991) at least can Claim a Long running System.

And yes I agree you just wanted to make a funny meme, but are These really the best example you can give?

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Moonatik

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Holy shit where do I even start? I just wanted to post a funny meme, man.

How about, look at literally every socialist country ever?

This idea that every socialist society ever resulted in tyranny is demonstrably false, my guy. There’s Revolutionary Catalonia, Rojava, Zapatista Chiapas, and many more if you can be bothered to look beyond the USSR and Voovoozela.

let’s strip everyone of their basic civil rights until they’re ready for Marx’s vision of True Communism™

For one, there are more kinds of socialism that the Orthodox Marxist perspective. Socialism isn’t a hegemonic hivemind. For two, even within the Marxist POV there’s differences on what the step between capitalism and communism should look like, and plenty of these perspectives are more libertarian in nature (e.g. Luxemburgism). On top of that, there are several socialist modes of organising the economy that hardly even involve the state (e.g. Market/Co-operative Socialism or Syndicalism).

Nope. (in response to “You’re getting communism and socialism mixed up.”

Again, socialism is not a hegemonic hivemind. Hell, if there’s one constant throughout history it’s that the left with split amongst itself and be divided against each other lmao. There are plenty of left-wingers/socialists who don’t view communism as a desirable or realistic end goal, at least in their lifetimes. While all communists are socialists, not all socialists are communists.

If it helps, refer to this graphic.

Socialism is the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” that was deemed a necessary intermediary stage to get there.

While yes, under the Marxist POV a DotP is needed as a necessary step towards communism, the name is extremely misleading. What DotP referred to was any political system where the working class held all effective political power, as opposed to the system as it stands today (again, in Marx’s POV) which is a Dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie as in today’s society it’s the ruling class who holds all or at least most effective political power. Lenin interpreted this to mean that his Bolshevik party, “the one true party of the proletariat”, should seize all political power which of course led to the brutal excesses we saw in the USSR. But again, there are more types of socialism than just Orthodox Marxism.

Don’t let the American conservatives/Libertarians calling Socialism Communism, and the “Nordic Model” Socialism, fool you.

I don’t, thanks.

If you wanna discuss further, by the way, DM me or go to the political thread and talk with somebody else. I doubt the mods will be happy if we continue in the way we are.

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^ This.

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Nobody cares about your political opinion, this is derpibooru, it’ll probably get deleted in a few minutes anyways, lol.

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Well if we go off to the Deep end of the well:

Capitalism: I made it, so it is mine.
Socialism: If it already exist, why can´t I use it?

Capitalism can exist without Socialism, but Socialism can not exist without Capitalism (or atleast not for Long).

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Nope.

Marx’s Communist utopia was basically a world of hippie communes, except without the weed.

Socialism is the “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” that was deemed a necessary intermediary stage to get there.

Don’t let the American conservatives/Libertarians calling Socialism Communism, and the “Nordic Model” Socialism, fool you.

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You’re getting communism and socialism mixed up.

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“lmao how”

How about, look at literally every socialist country ever?

An ideology/society built on “hey, all, let’s strip everyone of their basic civil rights and crush them under an iron heel, generation by generation, until every last trace of Capitalist instinct’s been erased from them for good and they’re ready for Marx’s vision of True Communism™” can not be anything but inherently totalitarian.

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Moonatik

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I don’t want to keep repeating “lmao how” but I feel as if I’m going to have to.

Also, yes, the Nordic countries are Social Democracies, not socialist.

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@Moonatik
Socialism is inherently totalitarian.

InB4 “But Muh Scandinavia” – that’s not socialism.

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Moonatik

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lmao how

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Despite being 13 percent of the population,

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“libertarian” in this context means someone who holds liberal values, vs. authoritarian.

You’re thinking “Libertarian” as in the American political party, which is explicitly right wing.

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I’m a psychology student: the more you read the more quickly your brain shuts out images when reading, and vice versa.
If memes are defined as images, text is dentrimental to the creation, I’d say.
Then again, humor requires risk, and “the Left” is known for the opposite of risk-taking behavior.

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libertarian socialist

This, kids, is what’s known as an oxymoron.

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Moonatik

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Honestly, yeah, you hit the nail on the head there.

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Regal Inkwell

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So according to this meem -

Left wing = Smart, sourced, congruent with reality. But also completely ineffective as a meme

Right wing = Very effective as a meme, and thus in spreading their ideas, but also completely fucking retarded

Well, they’re not wrong.

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So, no matter where i look all the world have the same problem: 2 sides of stupid people and stupid people talking about the other side like is the worst in the world. yeah we argents are not as stupid as i thought.

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