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@Flufux  
Yes, you do. I don’t want to start another argument.
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I had a feeling you’d be here.
 
Do I know you?
Background Pony #5845
@Flufux  
…yeah.
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@Background Pony #5D8B  
I myself love them plenty…for being great villains. You know, the characters specifically designed to make us root against them?
Background Pony #5845
@Flufux  
I had a feeling you’d be here.
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@Red-Supernova  
All these three characters deserve much better. They need more love.
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@Background Pony #B625  
A lot of these sound pretty much like something the Tyrantlestia crowd would come up with, and really doesn’t align at all with what we’ve seen in the show.
 
Nightmare Moon? Jealousy for the love and support her subjects had for Celestia and how they constantly ignored her and the night she would weave for them.
 
Okay, this one is accurate.
 
Discord? He was an immortal Spirit of Chaos, any friends he could have made would pass away from old age and his heart was closed off to them because of it. It was in his inherent nature to spread chaos and disorder.
 
Possible, but he did specifically say that Fluttershy was the first friend he ever made, so you may need to tweek it a bit.
 
Queen Chrysalis? Motivated to feed her starving Hive.
“When faced with extinction: every alternative is preferable!” -Dr. Leonard Church, Red vs. Blue Reconstruction
 
That only proof that she gives a damn about her subjects is a single line in her debut episode, and given that she has repeatedly lied and manipulated to just about everyone around her puts that into question. Otherwise, all we’ve seen of her is that of a ruthless power-hungry sociopath who deliberately kept her subjects from evolving to their true forms just because she didn’t want them to and rejected any possible way for them to live a life where they didn’t have to steal love from others. In fact, her rule only made them starve more than they would without her.
 
Sunset Shimmer? Found out that Celestia was using her as an unwitting pawn in trying to defeat Nightmare Moon and had no intention of actually training her to reach her full-potential to ascend to Alicornhood, she was even paranoid that Celestia will throw Sunset away when she completed her task.
 
While it’s possible Celestia made Sunset out for that role, nothing in the EG movies ever suggests she knew that was the case. No, what we actually know of her is that she wanted to be an ailicorn princess, in fact, she felt entitled to it, and completely rejected Celestia’s attempts to have her make friends or not be so selfish…and she responded to that by running away to another dimension instead of listening to reason. Sunset wanted power for herself, nothing more and nothing less. She even said so in the ‘My Past is Not Today’ music video.
 
Tirek? Seeking to gain power in order to prove to himself that he is indeed worthy of being a ruler and not a failure to his father King Vorak.
 
Mostly true…though you forgot to mention that Vorak had such a low opinion of his son because Tirek was a power-hungry and overly entitled sociopath, even as a teenager.
 
Tempest Shadow? Ostracized by her only friends due to her injury and was considered an outcast of Unicorn society, she sought out to try and reclaim her Horn and control over her wayward Magic but her motivation decayed with both time and desperation to the point where she led a full scale invasion against her homeland, captured the nigh-immortal rulers, and enalaved her own kind: all to try and reclaim her horn.
 
That’s true…though you might want to mention the Storm King too given that every bad thing she did, she did because he ordered or manipulated her into doing them.
 
As for the thing about Cozy Glow you mentioned…where do you even come up with this stuff? I mean, if any of that was true, wouldn’t Celestia or especially Cozy Glow herself ever mention it. Also, there’s no evidence in the entire show that Celestia, or anyone else in Equestria for that matter, could erase anyone’s memories…let alone EVERYONE’S.
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@Deserter  
It may not be canon, but at least it gives more of a tragic flaw to Celestias’ character regarding impatience and paranoia, along with providing better motivation to why Cozy Glow did what she did than just pursuing Friendship for the sake of Power alone without any other reason behind why she was doing what she was doing like the villains of the show were all known for:
 
Nightmare Moon? Jealousy for the love and support her subjects had for Celestia and how they constantly ignored her and the night she would weave for them.
 
Discord? He was an immortal Spirit of Chaos, any friends he could have made would pass away from old age and his heart was closed off to them because of it. It was in his inherent nature to spread chaos and disorder.
 
Queen Chrysalis? Motivated to feed her starving Hive.  
“When faced with extinction: every alternative is preferable!” -Dr. Leonard Church, Red vs. Blue Reconstruction
 
Sunset Shimmer? Found out that Celestia was using her as an unwitting pawn in trying to defeat Nightmare Moon and had no intention of actually training her to reach her full-potential to ascend to Alicornhood, she was even paranoid that Celestia will throw Sunset away when she completed her task.
 
Tirek? Seeking to gain power in order to prove to himself that he is indeed worthy of being a ruler and not a failure to his father King Vorak.
 
Tempest Shadow? Ostracized by her only friends due to her injury and was considered an outcast of Unicorn society, she sought out to try and reclaim her Horn and control over her wayward Magic but her motivation decayed with both time and desperation to the point where she led a full scale invasion against her homeland, captured the nigh-immortal rulers, and enalaved her own kind: all to try and reclaim her horn.
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@Background Pony #2877  
I see now.
 
@Background Pony #5D8B  
Agreed. I don’t care if others say this is a bad idea but someone should try to comfort her, regardless of all the threats she’ll throw.
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@Background Pony #B625  
Pretty sure your fanfiction isn’t canon, mate.
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Cozy Huginn Glow cannot be reformed: mostly because she didn’t even do anything wrong, that was all Celestias’ doing: throwing away the daughter she had with Sombra from the mirror dimension because of a prophecy foretelling how Cozy could spell out the doom of Equestria if her heart was pained by Magic, only to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by using the Elements of Harmony on her own 4-year old Alicorn daughter that sealed away Cozys magic, transformed her into a Mortal Pegasus, and erased everypony else’s memory of her very existence, then straight-up banished Cozy from Canterlot altogether. All of this happening just two days before the Summer Sun Celebration when Cozys’ aunt Princess Luna was about to return…
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@Background Pony #2877
 
Chryssie defender here. Why is your friendship magic going straight to hell?
 
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@Background Pony #2877  
Also you can prove a point without refering to actual real life politics. Just say that humans are stupid in away and thats all you can say.
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The comments are so verbose my brain hurts. I never had that deep thinking about Chrysalis tbh.
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@SSJGPiccles  
And they side with Discord because they said he was sorry? Last time I checked, he was only sorry for releasing them and giving them more power. What he was not sorry for was for using them as tools to boost Twilight’s morale. You cannot—-I repeat, can NOT condone that sort of behavior.
SunlightDrifter

@asdtroi  
Seriously though.
 
“We’re going to badger Discord until he changes his ways after being an awful unrepentant person for millennia, but this small filly is going straight to hell.”
 
-Celestia at some point
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@asdtroi  
Thank you.
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Of course they can be reformed! Frenemies proved that. Chrysalis would be the most stubbern one, but eventually even she could turn over a new leaf. To bad they never got the chances Discord, Starlight, Tempest, Luna and Stygian got. I guess they either didn’t get into a good enough situation or Celestia didn’t find them potentially usefull enough to be reformed. Quite unfair if I do say so myself. They certainly deserved better.
Background Pony #737E
@OtherFritz  
I see why you defend the character now; you share her thought processes, or lack thereof.
 
As with her, I don’t know what kind of help you need, but it’s not something I’m certified or obligated to provide you. Much like every other Chrysalis defender I’ve ever talked to, you’ll stick to your delusions no matter what, but it can’t be said that I didn’t try.
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There it is; I answered your question as plainly as possible and you still insist nothing was said. You’re willfully blind.
 
If that was “as plainly as possible”, I don’t want to know what you consider obscure.  
Now that you’ve proven that, there may be no point in my attempting to explain any of this to you, but here’s one last try: Chrysalis witnessed the world-bending power of friendship multiple times, was beaten by it multiple times, used it herself to achieve a goal, and still rejected it. As no sensible person thinks this way, it is not unfair to conclude that Chrysalis is an idiot.
 
What you have just provided is a much plainer explanation than anything you have said previously, meaning that you have just disproven your own statement and thus, even by your own standards, your judgement of my character.
 
Moving on to the matter at hand, your claim, as I understand it, is that Chrysalis knows that friendship is powerful, both as a magical force and otherwise, because of her experience with it, but refuses it and is thus an idiot.
 
The issues with this claim are as follows:  
  1. Chrysalis has never, as you claimed, been directly defeated by the magic of friendship. The first time was love magic, as was the second. The third time, she was betrayed by her underlings who were destroyed by the Tree of Harmony.  
  2. You claim that “no sensible person” would reject something they know to be powerful. By this logic, no sensible person would reject recreational nuclear weapons. Simply put, power is not the only thing one should or could prioritise.  
  3. That the LoD cooperated to reach their goal does not necessarily imply friendship. That only came up after the job was done. At no point after is their alliance referred to as a friendship or treated as such, but their cooperation continues.  
There are people that preferred slavery, rule by kings, and quite a few other horrible things that better people rejected and left to rot. If you need proof that there are insanely stupid people who will fight against their own best interests (like Chrysalis did!), look no further than right-wing voters in the United States (or don’t, if you value your sanity).
Preferring the stupid, inferior, old way doesn’t make it good, it means something is wrong with the people who prefer the stupid, inferior, old way.
 
Your views on fictitious bughorse politics, as well as US politics, are noted.
Background Pony #737E
What needs to be clarified, and what you have failed to clarify, are the actual specific claims you are making. You say she “She rejected the evidence of her own eyes and ears on multiple occasions”, but what specifically are you referring to? What evidence are you pointing to and what is it evidence of? Further, what actions specifically do you claim are indicative of stupidity?
As it stands, I cannot address your statements without making unjustified assumptions. That is why clarification is needed.
 
There it is; I answered your question as plainly as possible and you still insist nothing was said. You’re willfully blind.
 
Now that you’ve proven that, there may be no point in my attempting to explain any of this to you, but here’s one last try: Chrysalis witnessed the world-bending power of friendship multiple times, was beaten by it multiple times, used it herself to achieve a goal, and still rejected it. As no sensible person thinks this way, it is not unfair to conclude that Chrysalis is an idiot.
 
Apparently, she does not agree with that summation and neither did a not-insignificant number of changelings, even after Thorax took over. I refer, of course, to the renegade changelings mentioned in Triple Threat, as well as to Pharynx. I’m sure you recall their preference for the old ways. I have no doubt that Chrysalis has similar feelings on the matter.
 
There are people that preferred slavery, rule by kings, and quite a few other horrible things that better people rejected and left to rot. If you need proof that there are insanely stupid people who will fight against their own best interests (like Chrysalis did!), look no further than right-wing voters in the United States (or don’t, if you value your sanity).
 
Preferring the stupid, inferior, old way doesn’t make it good, it means something is wrong with the people who prefer the stupid, inferior, old way.
OtherFritz
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If you’ve watched this show at all, it shouldn’t need clarifying.
 
What needs to be clarified, and what you have failed to clarify, are the actual specific claims you are making. You say she “She rejected the evidence of her own eyes and ears on multiple occasions”, but what specifically are you referring to? What evidence are you pointing to and what is it evidence of? Further, what actions specifically do you claim are indicative of stupidity?
 
As it stands, I cannot address your statements without making unjustified assumptions. That is why clarification is needed.  
Yes, changes objectively for the better; they would have enough to eat now. Something she was never able to give them. She left them when they were at their best, which is idiotic.
 
Apparently, she does not agree with that summation and neither did a not-insignificant number of changelings, even after Thorax took over. I refer, of course, to the renegade changelings mentioned in Triple Threat, as well as to Pharynx. I’m sure you recall their preference for the old ways. I have no doubt that Chrysalis has similar feelings on the matter.
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As you have yet to sufficiently clarify your somewhat confusing point about pride and “the evidence of her own eyes and ears”
 
If you’ve watched this show at all, it shouldn’t need clarifying. It’s right there in the title. Chrysalis, and every single other villain in the entire series, as the mane 6 themselves point out just before turning the three above into stone, have witnessed the friendship-powered rainbow magic’s omnipotence, some multiple times. It is extremely common knowledge that the magic equestrians hold in highest regard is that of companionship, working together, etc. To see what Chrysalis had seen and still act the way she did was plain stupid of her.
 
If that isn’t sufficiently clarified for you, I’ll have to think you’re just as blind (perhaps willfully so, as often seems to be the case in Chrysalis defenders) as she is.
 
I’m sure I can’t be the only one who doesn’t see the logic in basing the destiny or duty of a species, or an interpretation thereof, on wordplay. At any rate, it was quite obvious at the moment of her overthrow that the Hive would undergo some major social changes in the wake of Thorax’s metamorphosis. While she may not have literally lost her Hive, it is inarguably true that she lost her hive, if you see what I mean.
 
Yes, changes objectively for the better; they would have enough to eat now. Something she was never able to give them. She left them when they were at their best, which is idiotic.  
If ‘her’ hive was the suffering, struggling one under her heel, it wasn’t worth keeping, especially when what is essentially infinite food had been offered to her on a silver platter.
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@Background Pony #2877  
@Background Pony #2877  
As you have yet to sufficiently clarify your somewhat confusing point about pride and “the evidence of her own eyes and ears”, I’ll just address that last part:  
She didn’t ‘lose’ her hive, she abandoned them rather than do the one thing her species is supposed to be able to do; change.
 
I’m sure I can’t be the only one who doesn’t see the logic in basing the destiny or duty of a species, or an interpretation thereof, on wordplay. At any rate, it was quite obvious at the moment of her overthrow that the Hive would undergo some major social changes in the wake of Thorax’s metamorphosis. While she may not have literally lost her Hive, it is inarguably true that she lost her hive, if you see what I mean.