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She may be evil but she is still really cute

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@Beau Skunky  
I don’t know about it. When they were stealing that book they were willing to work together right away and without bickering.
 
And as a point for Chrysalis and Tirek, they forgive a Cozy after that backstabbing stunt.
 
And also how it would work if they didn’t bicker with each other here and there? Otherwise, every scene with them that would quite dull exchange of information.
secury

@Beau Skunky  
Well, That same could be said about you in that sense you also defending every bit of Disord actions (as I read your comments) and you are not willing to accept that maybe what Discord did what reckless and irresponsible and maybe he shouldn’t do in the first place.
 
Sorry if that sounds offensive. I appreciate that you are at last are willing to discuss a some point about trio instead outright saying they should burn in hell.
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@Beau Skunky  
I wouldn’t see Tirek have a tea with ponies. But what about going back to his home at centaur land to deal with his daddy issues? I think that can work.
 
But I will admit that I did want to reform him only because of his bond with Cozy and Chrysalis.
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@Beau Skunky  
I can see where you going, but don’t tell that kidnaping creatures and them threaten with violence if they don’t compile if it is perfectly acceptable behavior. While I agree that villains weren’t innocent victims (totally not) I don’t think that Discord was saint either.
 
As for the villains I say that they deserved to be punished to some degree, so I wouldn’t mind if they spend some time in stone, but not forever. They should be paroled at some point.
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I can’t really see a character like Lord Tirek settling down, and having tea parties with ponies. Prior to Season 9, I never saw one brony ever say they want him reformed, and they only seem to now, out of his association with Chrysalis & Cozy.
 
Yeah, I have to admit that I’m one of those bronies who changed their minds about Tirek because of him getting involved with Chrysalis and Cozy.
 
 
@Beau Skunky
And you forget actually it was Celestia & Luna’s decision actually, and they chose it, as well, as they were still the leaders technically. Twilight wasn’t yet in any position yet to chose their punishment, and for all we know decades later, she could’ve chosen to unstone them, and reform them. You’re free to think that if it makes you feel better. I think that’s why the show-runners did that, so fans could interpret the villain’s fate however they want.
 
Discord was the one who still recommended it. Celestia and Luna were still gonna punish the trio for their crimes but I’m sure they had something else in mind.  
I still like to play with the alternate direction of not stoning the trio after the battle but I am open to expanding the trio’s stories by still getting stoned and eventually released.
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He’s only showing regret when it results in him getting the short straw.
 
That’s still more regret, shame, and apologetic behavior then the villainous trio’ ever showed for their actions, and as I said he risked his life to help out. You completely ignore anything good Discord ever did, and you seem heavily biased against the character, no offense.
 
And you forget actually it was Celestia & Luna’s decision actually, and they chose it, as well, as they were still the leaders technically. Twilight wasn’t yet in any position yet to chose their punishment, and for all we know decades later, she could’ve chosen to unstone them, and reform them. You’re free to think that if it makes you feel better. I think that’s why the show-runners did that, so fans could interpret the villain’s fate however they want.
 
And before you mention it, Discord’s remark about “being together forever,” that could’ve just been a joke.
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@Beau Skunky  
He’s only showing regret when it results in him getting the short straw. That’s not the same thing as regretting the means to justify the ends. Even then, as I said, Twilight should’ve had the final say in the villains’ fates, not Discord. Seeing that she was going to be the new ruler, she could made her first big decision after defeating the bad guys.
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@Smart Heart  
That’s because he was going to make sure nothing bad would happen to her, and act as a safety net. (Like he secretly was during the Sombra incident.) He assumed he had control of the situation, but Discord had to learn the hard way he didn’t, and from the show-runners’ standpoint, it seemed done to ensure Discord never tries to do anything like this again, and orchistrate events, and develop his character, and bring some some closure to his arc, as well.
 
He’s not an idiot, he was just too confident in himself, and had to learn the hard way he can’t control, or influence everything. In a way, that actually develops his character more by making that mistake. (Twilight herself tried that back in “Lesson Zero.” She learned the same thing kinda.)
 
As for never regretting his actions.
 
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@Beau Skunky  
Still, he didn’t seem to show regret about having them attack Twilight or the fact that we would have an “epic battle.” Taking into account that he realized Twilight was ready in the season premiere, it kinda lead me to this conclusion. And besides, even if he didn’t know they would find it, not tell him they found it, and use it against him, he’s an idiot to the highest degree. After getting backstabbed by Tirek, you’d think he’d be more cautious.
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@Smart Heart  
There’s nothing that implied he intentionally “emotionally manipulated” them into “being irrideemable,” (that was their choice, not his) and “knew they would lose/be turned to stone.  
In fact, Discord seemed rather nervous, and regretfull after they betrayed him, (which he didn’t see coming, so he’s not omnipotent) and took his powers, so after that he didn’t know what the outcome would be, or if they could’ve been stopped. (Even without his powers he still risked his life to help the Mane ponies, so he’s not “pure evil.”)  
He didn’t even seem aware the 3 were hatching their own evil plans, secretly turning ponies against each other. (Say what you want about Discord, but he doesn’t encourage pony-racism/division.) They could’ve stopped being evil, and stuff, especially after seeing their actions brought the Windigoes wrath on Equestria, but they didn’t. (Chrysalis even suggested using the Windigoes to their advantage, and Tirek only wanted to get rid of them, because he feared they be a threat to themselves, or their own conquering plans.) They were still in charge of their own actions.
 
Discord’s no saint, but the villainous trio are not innocent victims.
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@asdtroi  
Heck, Discord is even worse than them. He purposely brought them together and gave them access to a major power source and told them to attack Twilight and Equestria. Then, when they lost their powers, he purposely gave Celestia and Luna the option of petrifying the three instead of asking Twilight what she thought. So, in case you missed it, he emotionally manipulated these three bad guys to the point of irredeemability and knew full well they would lose in the end and threw them away as if they were tools that served their purpose. Think about that.
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@Beau Skunky  
I meant self defence for Twilight and her friends. Thats why he got it harsher because they had no other option at the time, unlike with the trio.
 
Its not that I care more about the villains its that they need the help more then the heroes at the moment and I never said that the villains never did anything bad, just that reformed villains did equally bad things in comparison, which a lot of people opposing the trio’s reformation seem to ignore.
 
I’m just saying that if they could put all that effort into reforming Discord, Starlight, Stygian, Luna and Tempest then surely they could try the same with the trio, among whom is a literal child. It would only be fair.
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@asdtroi  
Self defense? Um, didn’t he basically enslave/capture everybody, and try to take over, and become basically Pony Hitler?
 
No offense, but you seem to care more about the villains then the good guys, and you seem to deny, or ignore the bad guys ever did anything bad? (Except the reformed ones ironically.)
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@Beau Skunky  
I still think there would have been less complaints. Probably would have been best if they had the characters imply that they were going to try to reform them in the future or something.
 
And with Sombra, he was attacking so his death was more of an act of self-defence then anything. The trio meanwhile were stuck under a giant cupcake, powerless. And how can we know that a villain is unreformable if no one ever tries?
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@asdtroi  
I honestly think people would’ve complained regardless.
 
I think their punishment was less harsh then what Sombra got frankly, and I think we have to accept we can’t reform every villain.
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@Beau Skunky  
He bargained with her and held up his end of the bargain. A more evil villain would kill or simply not release Twilight’s friends after recieving her magic and laugh at her face about it.
 
I remember seeing more artwork and fanfics depicting a wanting for the trio to reform during s9 and there were plenty who wanted Chrysalis to reform after s7. I think there would have been less complaints had they simply reformed the trio. And the way Twilight and her friends treated the trio as a whole was still quite unfair compared to many others.
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@asdtroi  
Tirek blackmailed her, and threatened her friends, (including Discord’s whom he betrayed) lives, that’s not what I’d call “honor.”
 
In a meta sense, I think we need to accept, we can’t really expect them to reform every villain.  
Besides, even if the villainous trio were reformed, I’m sure half the fanbase would be upset over that, as well, (so it’s lose-lose either way) judging from all the “Plz don’t reform me” pics here, and such. I remember fans even cheered when Chrysalis turned down Starlight’s offer of redemption, and gave her the finger.
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@Beau Skunky  
Still, it was more then what Discord showed prior to his reformation. If he deserved a second chance then so did they.
 
And yet, he was still remembered as having a “heart as colt as stone” by the ponies. He would randomly shift the world to his liking with often dangerous results (I doupt mutated squirrels were safe) and played with ponies minds like they were toys all for his own amusement. He was most certainly evil.
 
Tirek had a sense of honor. He kept his word when Twilight gave him her magic and let her friends go. Its not much, but still more then what many other villains had.
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@asdtroi  
You ignore they also didn’t always get along, and took pleasure in each others’ failures, and took pleasure in turning ponies against each other, and such. So they were never really “best of buddies,” nor the “kindess of souls” either.
 
Discord is kinda different, because frankly even when he was a villain he wasn’t as evil or destructive as Tirek, or a war-mongerer like Chrysalis. He made chocholate rain, made Big Mac think he’s a dog, and played with the Mane 6’s minds were the worst things he did. He got punished for it.  
He’s the embodiment of chaos which is probably neither good, nor evil.  
In fact, honestly he’s more goofy then he ever was “evil.”
 
I like Tirek, but I don’t really see any good qualities in him. One thing I think the show missed out on, was the Mane 6 meeting his brother Scorpan, which could’ve been interesting with the “good brother & bad brother” or “Cain & Abel” type of relationship.
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@Beau Skunky  
It still happened. They still almost had a revelation that they had to be snapped out of. It is a canon thing that happened. Comedy or not it was a thing that hapened in the show and even before then there were plenty of good moments for them like the campfire scene or when Chrysalis saved Cozy from falling or when Tirek gave Chrysalis back her magic.
 
And even then, they never got the same chance that Starlight and Discord had.
 
Frankly, I couldn’t see pre-reformation Discord sit down and have a tea party with Fluttershy either, but look at where we are now. I also never would have minded seeing Tirek get reformed especially after seeing that he had to spend so much time alone in an empty cage. I think thats just horrible.
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@asdtroi
Indeed. Frenemies showed that they were capable of reformation.
 
I don’t know why people keep insisting that, I always felt that moment at the end of the episode where they almost learn the episode’s “leason of the day,” only to shrug it off disgusted at the idea of “friendship,” and such was just meant to be a mere joke, and parody of the show’s sappy friendship moments.  
I don’t think it was ever meant to foreshadow a reformation, (that never happened) or was meant to show they had some good qualities, or make the viewer have empathy for them. Though, I guess bronies took that joke too literally regardless.
 
And honestly, I can’t really see a character like Lord Tirek settling down, and having tea parties with ponies. Prior to Season 9, I never saw one brony ever say they want him reformed, and they only seem to now, out of his association with Chrysalis & Cozy.
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@northern haste  
They knew friendship was beneficial, they just mistook it. They only saw the benefits of Friendship that could only serve them, they didn’t understand how they could use friendship in a way that would be beneficial for both them and others.