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> This argument fails at the most basic level. Humans are *by definition* social creatures - a single man on his own in the wild is a species of one waiting to go extinct, nothing more. Nothing he does will have any meaning. A thought experiment that discards the society that man is part of is completely without merit.
It's not an advocacy for man to stay "in nature" It's just to understand on a fundamental level what man is able to do without societal intervention. This is purely to understand the individual. without these foundations society today wouldn't be able to function. and purely on a utilitarian level societies that recognize the rights of the individual are the better societies to live in.You don't have a working hive without the bee. It's not a coincidence, the idea that individual man has rights is inherently pro-social.
> And for a society to function at all, certain things MUST be suppressed - chief among them man's tendencies to take all for himself and to inflict violence on things he does not like. No society can function without rules and limits being imposed.
Oh, Absolutely! society needs rules. period. I'm not an advocate for absolute anarchy, just an advocate for human rights. One of the rules that society has in place is to prevent other humans from infringing on others rights by, say, inflicting violence on others.
> [@YourPalContrail](/forums/generals/topics/tartarus?post_id=5275853#post_5275853)
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> This argument fails at the most basic level. Humans are *by definition* social creatures - a single man on his own in the wild is a species of one waiting to go extinct, nothing more. Nothing he does will have any meaning. A thought experiment that discards the society that man is part of is completely without merit.
It's not an advocacy for man to stay "in nature" It's just to understand on a fundamental level what man is able to do without societal intervention. This is purely to understand the individual. without these foundations society today wouldn't be able to function. and purely on a utilitarian level societies that recognize the rights of the individual are the better societies to live in.
> And for a society to function at all, certain things MUST be suppressed - chief among them man's tendencies to take all for himself and to inflict violence on things he does not like. No society can function without rules and limits being imposed.
Oh, Absolutely! society needs rules. period. I'm not an advocate for absolute anarchy, just an advocate for human rights. One of the rules that society has in place is to prevent other humans from infringing on others rights by, say, inflicting violence on others.