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I thought about DNP and cases when it's useful, and when it's harmful.


 
I see the following reasons for DNP:


 
1) Art is paywalled to allow the artist to get food and rent home. This is nice and fair to allow artists to pay bills and to create new art. Still it isn't profitable to hide art forever for years. it's useful to nudge and remind people to patreon and other support. People are all lazy to pay without such reminders, even when they want and can. But top quality many years old arts already been distributed across all Discord chats and torrent forums. Some sites have a grace period, such as months or years.


 
2) Art become dangerous for its creator. It actually can be solved without art removal in most cases. Only change artist's tag to anonymous or many randomly generated to avoid connection one art with another for some doxxer and possibly remove some other ways to connect images from one source.


 
3) The artist wants to forbid "Steal" to other sites from deviantart and twitter. Mostly very young artists or with some very emotional DONUT STEAL mindset without any practical profit. They cannot explain how this "theft" affects them. Even if they hunt popularity of blog or youtube channel, arts removal from other sites works the opposite.


 
4) An attempt to manipulate moderation or the site.
 
It's helpful to respect artists DNPs when they can explain how it affects their money income or when their career and life are in danger.
 
Still paywall for many years looks not useful. Or hiding something very often doesn't require actual art removal. If the art has a signature the artist can't solve hiding problem without changing signature anyway. The art is still spreaded across archives and other sites.


 
There is controversy about some other people instead the artist himself decide what is harmful and what isn't. But we have hundreds of cases now which are evident attempts to manipulate site not to save someone's artist income and career.



 
 
There is tradeoff better than two extremities. Total piracy with artists disrespect and Barbara Streisand ineffective censorship which affects only honest sites that respect an artist requests.
 
1) yaarrrr, go pirate, in the terms of controversial DMCA laws. Let's leave final decision to site administration. Still be honest pirates, and respect artists life.
 
2) have policy to allow DNP for fresh paywalled which really makes profit. And cases when someone's life/income in danger and can't be solved with the artist name or signature or tags or metatadata change. If artists doesn't confirm DNP to be continued after some period (years?), lift the DNP, to avoid DNP kept for decades and centuries of already dead/retired artists.


 
3) If something is available at public for free at artists blog and they control it, don't respect such DNPs at all without any further analysis. It's not about life and income saving. it's manipulation or "donut steal" immaturity. If they control they blog, publicly avaible art removal is not about hiding.


 
It is unlikely Derpi changes its policy, but possibly new Derpi's clones can experiment with new DNP approaches other than two extreme pointies.
No reason given
Edited by Background Pony #41B6
Background Pony #41B6
I thought about DNP and cases when it's useful, and when it's harmful.

I see the following reasons for DNP:

1) Art is paywalled to allow the artist to get food and rent home. This is nice and fair to allow artists to pay bills and to create new art. Still it isn't profitable to hide art forever for years. it's useful to nudge and remind people to patreon and other support. People are all lazy to pay without such reminders, even when they want and can. But top quality many years old arts already been distributed across all Discord chats and torrent forums. Some sites have a grace period, such as months or years.

2) Art become dangerous for its creator. It actually can be solved without art removal in most cases. Only change artist's tag to anonymous or many randomly generated to avoid connection one art with another for some doxxer and possibly remove some other ways to connect images from one source.

3) The artist wants to forbid "Steal" to other sites from deviantart and twitter. Mostly very young artists or with some very emotional DONUT STEAL mindset without any practical profit. They cannot explain how this "theft" affects them. Even if they hunt popularity of blog or youtube channel, arts removal from other sites works the opposite.

4) An attempt to manipulate moderation or the site.
It's helpful to respect artists DNPs when they can explain how it affects their money income or when their career and life are in danger.
Still paywall for many years looks not useful. Or hiding something very often doesn't require actual art removal. If the art has a signature the artist can't solve hiding problem without changing signature anyway. tThe art is still spreeaded across archives and other sites.

There is controversy about some other people instead the artist himself decide what is harmful and what isn't. But we have hundreds of cases now which are evident attempts to manipulate site not to save someone's artist income and career.


There is tradeoff better than two extremities. Total piracy with artists disrespect and Barbara Streisand ineffective censorship which affects only honest sites that respect an artist requests.
1) yaarrrr, go pirate, in the terms of controversial DMCA laws. Let's leave final decision to site administration. Still be honest pirates, and respect artists life.
2) have policy to allow DNP for fresh paywalled which really makes profit. And cases when someone's life/income in danger and can't be solved with the artist name or signature or tags or metatadata change. If artists doesn't confirm DNP to be continued after some period (years?), lift the DNP, to avoid DNP kept for decades and centuries of already dead/retired artists.

3) If something is available at public for free at artists blog and they control it, don't respect such DNPs at all without any further analysis. It's not about life and income saving. it's manipulation or "donut steal" immaturity. If they control they blog, publicly avaible art removal is not about hiding.

It is unlikely Derpi changes its policy, but possibly new Derpi's clones can experiment with new DNP approaches other than two extremities.
No reason given
Edited by Background Pony #41B6
Background Pony #41B6
I thought about DNP and cases when it's useful, and when it's harmful.

I see the following reasons for DNP:

1) Art is paywalled to allow the artist to get food and rent home. This is nice and fair to allow artists to pay bills and to create new art. Still it isn't profitable to hide art forever for years. it's useful to nudge and remind people to patreon and other support. People are all lazy to pay without such reminders, even when they want and can. But top quality many years old arts already been distributed across all Discord chats and torrent forums. Some sites have a grace period, such as months or years.

2) Art become dangerous for its creator. It actually can be solved without art removal in most cases. Only change artist's tag to anonymous or many randomly generated to avoid connection one art with another for some doxxer and possibly remove some other ways to connect images from one source.

3) The artist wants to forbid "Steal" to other sites from deviantart and twitter. Mostly very young artists or with some very emotional DONUT STEAL mindset without any practical profit. They cannot explain how this "theft" affects them. Even if they hunt popularity of blog or youtube channel, arts removal from other sites works the opposite.

4) An attempt to manipulate moderation or the site.
It's helpful to respect artists DNPs when they can explain how it affects their money income or when their career and life are in danger.
Still paywall for many years looks not useful. Or hiding something very often doesn't require actual art removal. If the art has a signature the artist can't solve hiding problem without changing signature anyway the art is still speeded across archives and other site.

There is controversy about some other people instead the artist himself decide what is harmful and what isn't. But we have hundreds of cases now which are evident attempts to manipulate site not to save someone's artist income and career.


There is tradeoff better than two extremities. Total piracy with artists disrespect and Barbara Streisand ineffective censorship which affects only honest sites that respect an artist requests.
1) yaarrrr, go pirate, in the terms of controversial DMCA laws. Let's leave final decision to site administration. Still be honest pirates, and respect artists life.
2) have policy to allow DNP for fresh paywalled which really makes profit. And cases when someone's life/income in danger and can't be solved with the artist name or signature or tags or metatadata change. If artists doesn't confirm DNP to be continued after some period (years?), lift the DNP, to avoid DNP kept for decades and centuries of already dead/retired artists.

3) If something is available at public for free at artists blog and they control it, don't respect such DNPs at all without any further analysis. It's not about life and income saving. it's manipulation or "donut steal" immaturity. If they control they blog, publicly avaible art removal is not about hiding.

It is unlikely Derpi changes its policy, but possibly new Derpi's clones can experiment with new DNP approaches other than two extremities.
No reason given
Edited by Background Pony #41B6