Video Game General 2: Definitive/Remastered Edition

@Wiimeiser  
Dumbed down games means mainstream games means selling games to a wider audience.

When someone literally says Goldeneye was more revolutionary than Doom:  

I’ve been on a classics binge over the last few months.
 
The “dumbed down” argument needs to GTFO. “Actually playable now” is not “dumbed down”.

@Dustcan  
yeah, i may miss attributes but Skyrim had the best overall gameplay in the series,

@Mikey  
I know right!

@Dustcan  
The Elder Scrolls series has undeniably been dumbed down. Every new game they have cut content like skills, attributes, classes, spells, and weapon and armor types. They took away choices for quests by making quest related NPCs unkillable. Why? To simplify the game so it can be played by the lowest common denominator.

@kleptomage
 
I’m not shedding a single tear over losing, say, Oblivion’s leveling system or, say, Morrowind’s dice roll hit detection. Skyrim “dumbed down” both features by replacing them with an alternative that’s not ass. ie, I’m not spending more time on a spreadsheet than I am actually playing the game to make sure I’m not gimping my stats at every level up like in Oblivion, and unlike Morrowind when I hit something it means I hit something.
 
Class themselves are meaningless. I do miss Major/Minor skills, but otherwise “classes” were just fancy titles that meant and changed nothing besides a word of text on your inventory screen. And Skyrim still offers a close enough alternative with the Standing Stones giving you pseudo Major/Minor skills, so even that’s not a big loss.

@Dustcan  
Agreed 100% on Morrowind’s combat rolls.
 
To me, the absence of classes reduces the enjoyment of trying different builds because when I can use anything I will go with whatever works best at the moment. It’s not a bad thing for an RPG to encourage you to play a chosen role.
 
Compare the number and effects of spells in Oblivion to Skyrim, and then to Morrowind. Bethesda totally gutted magic in Skyrim but it’s been an ongoing process. I miss the levitation and teleportation spells the most. Those were incredibly useful. You could enchant a ring with a 1 point levitation effect and combine it with the Boots of Blinding Speed to fly everywhere.
 
I wish they hadn’t cut out polearms and throwing weapons. Spears were great for distance and stun-locking enemies with quick thrusts.

I miss spell construction from Oblivion. Hope that returns.

@Mikey  

 
Well, I could say both are at the same level of influence.

@E-123  
Doom revolutionized FPS games for PC, but Goldeneye (with help from Turok) did help popularize the genre with home console gamers.  
(Not everyone had a decent gaming PC back then. So before that Doom was kinda niché in most places.)
 
Plus Goldeneye added some things to the genre.

@Scrabbleman  
might have to wait on sword/shield, but fallout 76 will probably end up being a bigger shitstorm unless something particularly dumb happens on the pokemon/gamefreak side.

I have ask something. If the label on the front and back of the battery is not on it 100% perfectly does that mean it a fake?

@Background Pony #3C3F  
I am talking about the wii u battery that brought on ebay.

@Beau Skunky  
IIRC, it was one of the first games, if not the first, where shooting enemies in different parts of the body dealt differing amounts of damage. Or so I’ve heard. Don’t know if it’s actually true.

@Silent_Witness  
Yes it was. Also introduced the more realistic aspects in the FPS genre.

@E-123  
So: Wolfenstein invented it, Doom made it viable, Goldeneye refined it, Half Life 2 introduced physics, and Halo made it what it is today?

@Wiimeiser  
Yeah, well, lets say that all those games introduced things that are used in modern fps today.

I am legit wondering if this ship has gone through other Captain “Hawthornes” before me and the guy my pod smashed,

combat is clunky an a bit “floaty”

@E-123  
They’re not the same level of influence.  
Doom was so revolutionary, it set the standard for fps games and brought them into the mainstream. Not to mention the technical side of things.  
It also set the standard and id tech was so revolutionary that a lot of games use engines still based off of it.
 
@Beau Skunky  
Actually, Doom wasn’t niche at all. It was so popular that it was installed on more computers than Windows, and the shareware version definitely helped. If it was niche it wouldn’t have popularized the genre.
 
@Wiimeiser  
Wolfenstein was the first fps of if it’s type, doom revolutionized and popularized it, Duke 3d showed off a more real environment and had destructible aspects. Quake brought into 3d, also Half Life honestly did more than Goldeneye.

Ol’Reliable was worth the effort,

@Mikey  
In fact, Doom was so popular it coined the term “Doom clone” after it released, because everyone wanted a slice of it’s success, not to mention all the console makers wanted a port it was so popular. It was a juggernaut.
 
@Thanotos Omega  
*Unreliable :p