@Background Pony #9DDB  
Sneakiness is a form of strength, to put it in evolutionary terms it’s a kind of “fitness”

@raakamagna  
Strength and weakness are relative. And in nature as in society, it pays better to be sneaky than to be strong.

@Background Pony #9DDB  
We refuse to admit it, but as humans, we are meant to thrive on the rule of might. The strong rule over the weak, because when the weak rule, they get invaded.

@raakamagna  
Hmm. Sounds like something out of Code Geass.

@Background Pony #C06C  
Say that when people follow Stirner’s principle and gun commies down when they get into their land.
 
He said property was only such if you could use force to keep it.

The only thing Max is right about is that private property is complete bs or in Stirner’s term a “spook”. Always funny seeing people mistake personal property for private property. The two been muddled for a reason.

@OverlordScorpion  
That was not Stirner’s position. In fact his philosophy has little to no labels coined by him or his scarce adherents during his life. He was pretty much in the idea that most people needed no laws to not abuse others, but that by actually being selfish and understanding everyone was just as selfish, and only through one’s own individual will, it is possible to achieve a peaceful cooperation with no need for coercion of any kind.  
He pretty much stated he loved other people and hoped they would realize that screwing others was bad for themselves on the long run.  
He also stated might was the only way to secure one’s property, but that pretty much meant it was necessary to answer with hostility to those who might try to take something away from one.
 
Stirner is held as the father of egoism, not illegalism. Sometimes as one of the fathers of anarcy since many anarchists agreed on some of his concepts. But he rarely justified violence beyond self defense and was against the idea of revolution since it was not liberation, but a half assed attempt at it.

@OverlordScorpion  
>illegalism  
>bad  
transgresses behind u  

 
illegalism was not for the sake of egoism, illegalism was an ideology which claimed that the only true form of anarchy is an active transgression of the established law. See Laurent Tailhade (What matter the victims, provided the gesture is beautiful?What matters the death of vague human beings, If thereby the individual affirms himself?) and Auguste Vaillant.

@raakamagna  

Didn’t that happen to Stirner’s ideology as well in the form of illegalism?

@habitantunholycity  
Yes. He was not a mindless anarchist. He was quite fine in many ways. Not flawless, but even in his flaws, he has been serverely misinterpreted.
 
 
@AaronMk  
I think of most of his contemporaries, especially those who dabbled in politics often. Stirner was one of the best. Not too hard to achieve when most of them are often associated with terrible results when their principles are applied by others.

Pretty much at most Stirner is a useful philosopher to turn to if you seek to devalue the institutions society has constructed as a form of control; money, laws, property, religion. But actually sitting down to Stirner there are passages that yes, as @habitantunholycity said: you still probably shouldn’t fuck everyone up or spurn them. After all, we’re individuals and we have our own egos so we all live in a union of egos; or something like that.
 
Then again, I honestly need to sit down with Stirner more and suss him out. Too busy reading a cod book now though.

@habitantunholycity  
This.

@raakamagna  
Stirner himself loved men, and wrote that he would kill them if necessary, but not torture them.  
He loved other men and his wife because, quite simply, they made him happy.  
I think people forget that Stirner was an actual philosopher, he studied theology, he wasn’t an edgy teenager trying to justify petty theft.

@Filthy Pone  
But isn’t friendship an association of egoists?
 
Still sounds funny. My Little Stirner: Friendship is a spook.

Friendship is a spook.

That’s my colt.

Cutie Marks are a spook.
 
@habitantunholycity  
True.

quack

It fits p well, although if we wanna get autistic about it, Camus would have been a better choice.