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Wasn’t sure if someone made this already. Couldn’t help myself. Lol this is so horrible, I don’t even believe it, so why am I laughing?
Accusing me of something I didn’t do is no argument either. For a random BP, you seem pretty insistent on giving me nonsensical accusations.
Like I said before, I’m following the guy. I DO follow the logic he makes with his suppositions, but they REMAIN just suppositions. A patchwork theory with headcanon inserts. Starlight is canonically portrayed as a mentally healthy little girl before the pedestrian incident, and that fact will not change.
This argument started by comparing canon Wallflower and canon Starlight before the incident.
Is his version of Starlight a possibility? Yes, absolutely. Is it the canon version. No. Your the one plugging your ears through any clarification between the difference of canon and headcanon. Heck your not even making a counter argument.
I follow the logic, but it is still just headcanon.
plugging your ears from a well thought-out argument is not an argument either, suck it.
A meme used nonsensically isn’t an argument.
No. I really don’t. Nothing I’ve inferred is despite canon; it’s informed by it, so is categorically not unreasonable speculation, no matter how much you insist & dismiss it as a could’ve/should’ve/would’ve. I’ve already explained why the idea that nothing in-universe could’ve inclined Starlight to react so strongly to her situation rings false, but you’re determined not to hear it. Fine. I have more productive ways to waste time than a proverbial horse beating that can’t see beyond itself.
Cool story bro.
Yes inferences still exist, but what your talking about is only YOUR inferences. YOUR headcanon. Please be a little more self aware. Like I said before, one could talk ones ear off about headcanon’s about should of’s, would of’s and could of’s, like what your doing right now.
How you fill in the blanks is going to be different for someone else, and since we already know how Starlight was as a child and she had no mental issues whatsoever, your filling in the blanks in your own headcanon despite the canon. A NONEXISTENT underlying mental condition, with a weak, pedestrian situation with easy solutions.
Like I’ve already told you, I can already follow your reasoning if we include the details that simply don’t exist. You don’t need to overexplain it. The problem with it is your still making up headcanons from your canonically questionable personal inferences, inferences that have nothing to do with any other fan’s inferences.
Do you want to continue this in the PM? This is getting a little ridiculous for one comment section. Or we could just agree to disagree. My interest in your headcanon is limited.
There is no exaggeration from me. I’m only making inferences, something people do when consuming stories. At least I hope they still do. I’d only be hard-pressed to find someone who can make sense of her backstory who you wouldn’t instinctively dismiss in toto as nonsensical because you reject the notion that it can be made sense of. They do exist.
So the trauma was instant because the writing was low-quality? That’s backward. The rate of the trauma is a factor that can contribute to the quality, & I do not buy the idea that it was instant. Why? She obviously felt an extreme attachment to Sunburst already.
It’s not the show’s fault that you adopted a view that prohibits the idea that anything can possibly exist beyond what you physically witness at 1st glance. I don’t conduct myself like that, so I’m disinclined to take the view. There are various ailments/disorders that don’t visibly present to others, like some forms of human chimerism, but the afflicted still have them. The only thing we can definitively say about the time leading up to the separation and the time between then and the creation of the village is that we do not know what specific events occurred, but given the amount of time, the idea that there’s assuredly nothing that could have happened except Starlight not forming another attachment is what’s really nonsense. Even the best writing can leave in gaps. More fuel for the imagination. It’s not a problem to fill in those gaps with reasonable speculation. What happens isn’t as important as the facts that what definitely happened did and shapes what’s left unspoken. I’m not making up what could or should have happened; all I’m claiming is what seems most likely given what has been shown and/or told in the series.
It is canon that:
-Starlight felt a close attachment to Sunburst
-Sunburst leaving Sire’s Hollow for Canterlot caused her much anguish
-Starlight tends to avoid and hide her issues from others, with varying degrees of success
-Cutie marks, the object of Starlight’s resentment, are a source of social anxiety in foals, who can find the prospect of not earning theirs at the same time as their friends to be utterly nightmarish
If her anguish could result in the kind of disproportionate response that is canon, the attachment Starlight felt had to have been unhealthily extreme, especially for her not to take other better avenues to cope, even if it looked innocent enough on the outside. People who don’t have attachment issues do not have the inclination to behave in these ways. For her to feel resentful about cutie marks to what ends she did means those negative feelings were able to fester for years through when she could channel them into something directly related to them. And there most certainly is a consistency to her character:
Hard disagree in turn. Your argument is completely exaggerated and nonsensical, and you’ll be hard pressed to find people who believe her backstory made sense even among Starlight fans. Even a lot of Starlight fans I’ve talked to agree her backstory was not that well written and was very rushed.
What indicators showed there were underlying problems for her child self? A big fat 0. You say that sort of trauma doesn’t happen instantly? I would agree normally…
But it DOES happen in shitty writing. You are assuming a non-existent underlying issue to justify her unjustifiable backstory. That’s fanfiction, not analysis. I am not you, I don’t see your headcanon unless it was actually shown. There was no fear of loss of stability, she was never presented as an amazingly emotional unstable and mentally ill child, its something you made up to try to justify her.
Starlight being a mentally ill child with hyper paranoid fears of abandonment or change could have helped sell her backstory. But fans can go days on should of’s, could of’s and would of’s they feel passionate about. I didn’t happen. She WAS normal, and she was portrayed as a completely normal child mentally. Sunburst leaving was an astoundingly pedestrian affair and child Starlight had no canon underlying hyperfear of change , and as I’m sure you’ve already heard from many others, it was full of relatively easy solutions that didn’t both A) Warrent and B) Necessitate revenge on a worldly dynamic like cutie marks.
I sort of get your thought process. To deny any lack of quality in the writing, you’ve already consider a headcanon version of Starlight that was never actually properly considered by the writers, that has an underlying issue that explains her drastic change from normal child to supervillain. Ergo, you are calling child Starlight as initially unstable.
That doesn’t fly. There simply wasn’t anything about her to suggest she had an underlying issue to explain what she became after the trigger. She was just a normal child dude. Headcanon Child Starlight who visibly had tons of paranoid fear of change and other underlying problems does not count. Character consistency is not strong suit for the character writers for Starlight. Heck, Villain Starlight is a fairly genre savvy, Machiavellian smart talker of a villain, and Reformed Starlight is a fairly clueless, genre savvy-less nerd with very few social skills. There’s no point in pretending Starlight ever had any well written character consistency between the big stages of her life.
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Hard disagree. If that’s all that there was, someone that easy to set off had to have pre-existing underlying problems/stressors, which, in Starlight’s case, was her extreme attachment to Sunburst. That stuff doesn’t just happen instantly. Her latching that sense of attachment to him formed the foundation of her stability, but a house built on a weak foundation will not stand (oh, no!), so his departure made it collapse. I’ll compare her anti-cutie mark crusade to a witch hunt, whose formula is thus: fear (loss of stability (Sunburst)) + trigger/catalyst (his actual departure) = a scapegoat (cutie mark acquisition). That scapegoat and her tendency toward avoidance became her new foundation. Normal ponies don’t have over-the-top reactions to mundane situations, no, but mentally healthy ponies don’t get so attached that their stability hinges on that attachment being able to be acted on. So for that, the premise that Starlight was a normal pony sounds absurd.
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Starlight WAS perfectly normal mentally when she was a kid, yet an extemely pedestrian event turned her into a nearly life long supervillain.
The event MADE her mentally unstable in her future, yet few people could believe she could of been made that insane. Childish anxiety fades and has limited impact. Trauma, on the other hand, would have to be some PRETTY HEAVY TRAUMA to cause someone to become a supervillain.
I knew you meant Wallflower, so I didn’t include “with a magical artifact.” I don’t think “normal” can actually describe Starlight. Outwardly, maybe, but that exterior hides extreme feelings of abandonment, attachment, & emotional stunting to some degree. But, “anxious about the concept of cutie marks” and “less capable than adults of processing emotions maturely” can describe most foals.
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Wallflower is the none-too healthy girl with a magical memory artifact. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear. I meant to say “last I checked Wallflower was a none-too” and so forth. Comparing Starlight and Wallflower whom you brought up.
I’m saying normal purple unicorn children don’t overreact to a friend moving away in such a pedestrian way for most of their life to the point of supervillainy, but it’s more understandable that a troubled teen might overreact to getting ahold of magic foe a little while.
Given that was her overreaction, I don’t think it’d be a stretch to say “none-too mentally healthy girl” could describe Starlight. Severe overreaction isn’t even without precedent by S5.
Last I checked, she was a none-too mentally healthy girl given a magical memory artifact in a nearly powerless world from her perspective. Starlight devoted her ENTIRE LIFE to getting revenge due to her friend going to magical school. Kind of an overreaction from a random purple unicorn.
@Punyeto
While EG1 wasn’t great in terms of overall writing, Sunset definitely had a superior backstory in terms of being connected to Celestia and that potential for development down the road, instead of just this random purple unicorn out in the boonies even stronger then our other purple unicorn who is actually the Element of Magic.
I do agree that Starlight was a better villain overall then Sunset, but ironically, the writing for their characters went into opposite directions in terms of quality afterwords.
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About as riveting as, “no one is paying attention to me” is for fucking with people’s memories.
On my end, I forgot we talked because you got your comment deleted.
Why you want to start this up again is beyond me.
I guess a week later it’s cool, lol. I forgot what we were even doing.
well
firstly: chill, dude.
firstly and a half: eqg is over so not likely.
secondly: that’s not a mary sue. sunset doesn’t break the plot with this hobbies that are there to flesh out her charater. that’s all this stuff is, stuff that diffrencheats her from the other girls.
threadly: what fuck. don’t post your fetish art here.
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watch sunset also be a super cook with martial art skills. I cant fucking stand this character or her fans. she reinforces everything wrong with twilight.