barbeque
The purpose of this thread is twofold:
- Get a list of all tags that should be removed.
- Discussion on what to do when people readd them (or think up new ones)
TLDR: Tag lists are getting cluttered with garbage, time to take out the trash
INTRODUCTION
This has been annoying me (and probably others as well) for a while now, but we have way too many Meta/highly subjective/completely useless tags. A while ago I nuked a bunch of tags related to how many upvotes a pic has, but they continue to keep popping up under different names constantly. They are most evident on highscoring pictures, where people appear to have an unrepressable urge to break Rule #2, specifically this line of the Tagging Guidelines:
Importantly, tags are NOT comments. They are supposed to be descriptive of the image.
Perhaps this is just me, but something like
Similarly, gee I wonder if something is a
A year ago, the bickering used to be over what exactly was the threshold for
Let’s take a look at what tags I’m talking about…
LIST OF TAGS THAT ARE TOO META/TOO SUBJECTIVE/OBSELETE/OTHERWISE USELESS
Or: things that need to go. Nicely split into different categories because there are a lot. Will try to keep it updated as the thread develops.
SECTION 1: OBSELETE TAGS
upvotes galore - just search for
wall of faves - Clover should really deploy that thing that adds
wall of comments - seems to only get added after some time, at which point you can just look at the comment count. Possibly we can also have some kind of
This also includes other stuff including (but not limited to)
SECTION 2: ‘CUTE’
And all it’s silly variations. No, they’re not staying. For pretty much all of them I have more pics faved that IN MY OPINION would qualify for it and DON’T have the tag, then there are pictures with said tag IN TOTAL. Most of them are cuteness-related, enough to give it its own section, but it extends to subjective tags in general.
Subsection 2.1: general cute
cute, cute as fuck, adorable, adorable as fuck, insulin required, heart attack, hnng, d’awwww, daaaaw, weapons-grade cute, weapons-grade adorable, this will kill you, cute porn, diabeeeeetus, diabetes, weaponized adorableness
Subsection 2.2: characters
twiabetes, raribetes, shyabetes, dashabetes, pinkiebetes, the one for AJ, adorabloom, cutealoo, diasweetes, cutelestia, the same thing for all the other characters.
Subsection 2.3: probably also these
sexy, sinfully sexy, adorkable, adorkable as fuck, funny, funny as hell
DISCUSSION ON WHAT TO DO WHEN META TAGS KEEP GETTING READDED
Sure, the admins can just nuke everything, but they’ll just reappear magically after some time. We need to have something that also works in the long term. Possible solutions include:
weapons-grade adorable
tells me literally nothing about an image, especially if it’s already tagged cute,adorable,twiabetes,cute as fuck,adorable as fuck
etc as well. Cute or not, I want to know what is HAPPENING in the picture, not whether someone thinks it’s cute or not. Similarly, gee I wonder if something is a
wall of comments
when there is a friggin comment count on the thumbnail.A year ago, the bickering used to be over what exactly was the threshold for
upvotes galore
; since we have super nice search features these days which allows you to search for your very own threshold, it seems to have turned into a game of ‘let’s add as many pointless meta-tags possible’Let’s take a look at what tags I’m talking about…
LIST OF TAGS THAT ARE TOO META/TOO SUBJECTIVE/OBSELETE/OTHERWISE USELESS
Or: things that need to go. Nicely split into different categories because there are a lot. Will try to keep it updated as the thread develops.
SECTION 1: OBSELETE TAGS
upvotes galore - just search for
score.gt:<threshold>
or upvotes.gt:<threshold>
wall of faves - Clover should really deploy that thing that adds
faves.gt:<some-number>
searching wall of comments - seems to only get added after some time, at which point you can just look at the comment count. Possibly we can also have some kind of
comments.gt:<some-number>
search thing This also includes other stuff including (but not limited to)
>x upvotes
, over x upvotes
, over x faves
, a shitton of faves
, the fourteen most civilized upvoted/downvoted pictures in derpibooru
etc, and any and all variations of them. Not gonna list them all. I’d go as far as including wall of tags
too.SECTION 2: ‘CUTE’
And all it’s silly variations. No, they’re not staying. For pretty much all of them I have more pics faved that IN MY OPINION would qualify for it and DON’T have the tag, then there are pictures with said tag IN TOTAL. Most of them are cuteness-related, enough to give it its own section, but it extends to subjective tags in general.
Subsection 2.1: general cute
cute, cute as fuck, adorable, adorable as fuck, insulin required, heart attack, hnng, d’awwww, daaaaw, weapons-grade cute, weapons-grade adorable, this will kill you, cute porn, diabeeeeetus, diabetes, weaponized adorableness
Subsection 2.2: characters
twiabetes, raribetes, shyabetes, dashabetes, pinkiebetes, the one for AJ, adorabloom, cutealoo, diasweetes, cutelestia, the same thing for all the other characters.
Subsection 2.3: probably also these
sexy, sinfully sexy, adorkable, adorkable as fuck, funny, funny as hell
DISCUSSION ON WHAT TO DO WHEN META TAGS KEEP GETTING READDED
Sure, the admins can just nuke everything, but they’ll just reappear magically after some time. We need to have something that also works in the long term. Possible solutions include:
- Blacklist tags. This will get problematic if the site needs to check hundreds of tags. Besides, people will just make up new tags.
- Make tags reportable. This probably needs to be a thing regardless, but a way for people to just report tags is probably better than them either posting their thoughts about it in image comments (which not always get seen by admins) or them deciding to take action themselves, or tagwarring, or whatever it is users do instead of just actually alerting mods to it.
- ‘hide’ tags: it will just hide the name of the tag anywhere, not hide pictures tagged with it. Not a very good solution because the ‘list’ would need constant updating, and probably technically unfeasible on top of that.
- Something else? Discuss things in the comments; I’ll update this list regularly.
SUMMARY OF THREAD
We’ve had a few people vouching for certain tags to be kept, mostly the per-character tags and at least onecute
tag. They also mentioned artist-specific tags, which I need to look into still. Pretty much everyone agrees that there is no need for 27 different cute tags (Section 2.1) though (either alias everything to cute, nuke everything but cute, or nuke everything include cute), and also that when we getfaves.gt:somenumber
and possiblycomments.gt:somenumber
searching, everything mentioned in Section 1 can be safely nuked.
For now, nuking everything but cute, keeping the per-character tags and most likely the artist tags too looks like the most obvious solution (again, only after we get favecount and commentcount search). Whether additional things will need to be dealt with can be looked at a later date.
COURSE OF ACTION
Anyone capable of civil discussion is welcome to add his or her thoughts, two cents, list more tags for any of the categories, propose different solutions, or just discuss in general. Just coming in to say that whatever happens, you are in favor of getting rid of these meta-ish tags is also fine. There will most likely be a site-wide poll before they are actually nuked, but gathering opinions and deciding on what we’ll do after they’re nuked should probably be done before any poll goes up.
Last but not least I want to say that personally, the amount of cluttering is getting insane. Yes, there are other tags that I am also not a fan of (looking at you
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for example) but contrary to the ones listed above, they at least say something that’s a fact for that given image, instead of being vaguely subjective.