@Background Pony #F88B  

 

@That one guy….  
Here’s the thing a lot of people don’t realize – just because you’re OP doesn’t make you a Mary Sue. As long as they’re a sense of conflict within the character, something that challenges them internally, then it doesn’t matter what their abilities are.

Well you kinda are now.  
I mean, you’re the most powerful mage in the entire WORLD, seconded only by Celestia and Luna..And even then probably not for long. Not only that, you can now FLY.  
But I guess technicaly you’re not. You’re a well developed character. With known flaws….  
How ever seeing has how you have transcended pass us mere mortals, you don’t have many.

At least Twilight EARNED her princess status.

@Itsthinking In my opinion, a little clarification about alicorns is necessary. We’ll have to wait and see.(plus, a ruler of a whole country kneeling before a dorky student rubs me the wrong way)

@Background Pony  
Out of the blue? That was her destiny that Celestia guided her whole life up until that point to.
 
Her friends didn’t just kneel before her. Celestia did.
 
Would you have preferred her become an alicorn but not a princess? Because that would have messed up the mythos surrounding alicorns waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than adding one.

Twilight becoming an alicorn didn’t make her a Sue, her becoming a princess out of the blue and her friends kneeling before her(such a minor detail, still bugs me), in my opinion, did.

@B2C
 
Not a Sue, though, despite being awful.

@Amber Tomes
 
Did you honestly just link a litmus test?
 
Have you ever actually READ that thing? ANY character that’s interesting enough to write about scores as a Mary Sue, at minimum.

Superman is an awful character.

Until Twilight is better at everything than all of her friends, I can’t see her being a Mary Sue. Like making dresses better than Rarity does, being a better and faster flyer than Rainbow Dash, being more funny than Pinkie Pie, a better farmer and more grounded than Applejack, and better with animals than Fluttershy, or being a better ruler than Celestia/Luna, I don’t see it. I think that Celestia and Luna both will have much to teach Twilight and she’s still quite imperfect.
 
As one who has been part of this fandom since almost the very start, alicorn OCs were highly discouraged because of Luna and Celestia, because they’d be considered “overpowered”. We’ve already seen instances of another alicorn in the show (Cadance), and she seems powerful, though not nearly so much as Luna and Celestia.
 
I think a lot of this is simply waiting for the next season to see what we learn about alicorns.

@Mayojar77
 
That can´t be true cause Celestia was the one who stopped exactly that. So how can something which she kept easily under control be xxxxxxx times stronger than her?  
I have yet to see Twi moving the sun on her own to even think that she´s on the sam level as Celestia who got more than 1000 years of experiences under her belt compared to what? 20 years or less of Twily?

ITT, people think that a character being powerful makes them a mary sue.
 
Superman? Neo? Luke Skywalker? All apparently Mary Sues.

Twilight isn’t a Mary sue, she’s a Canon sue.  
All the qualities of a Mary sue, but is an actual character.
 
To put in some perspective, she was already more powerful than Celestia, the ruler and God of their nation,the moment after her first bowel movement. And that’s without power boosters. If that’s not OP, then what is?

Wings.  
No Wings.  
She’s the one with the Friendship Canon.

@Background Pony  
Cannon sue would be a better fit. It’s the mary sue equivalent to official original works.
 
However even this fails on twilight.

Definition of a Mary Sue in convenient test format.  
http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm

@gg666  
Yeah and if you want to get technical as heck, if Faust really had her way from the start, the show would have been more of an action-adventure, “magical girls” styled show instead of a series where a majority of the episodes are “slice of life” (i.e. it would have been kinda like “Sailor Moon with ponies”). Zecora was even originally envisioned as one of the mentor characters.
 
Hasbro said “no, we want kids to be able to watch any episode in any order without getting lost in a story arc” and honestly I think this change might have been for the better. (though something like Powerpuff Girls would have been cool, new villain every episode :P)
 
As for the topic at hand, yeah using the phrase “Mary Sue” is very incorrect. Heck it’s even incorrect to call actual bad characters like Bella Swan a Mary Sue. By it’s very definition, a Mary Sue is supposed to only be a self-insert OC created for fan fiction, not official, original works.
 
Funny thing is, many people seem to forget two major details about the ORIGINAL Mary Sue archetype from the original Star Trek fanfic. For one, said character and fanfic were actually a PARODY of self-insert fics. Also, the character died at the end of the story. Not many modern Mary Sues seem to follow that last part. XD

@IrieMangaStudios
 
we never saw Faust’s original ideas even when she was around. Her ideas were quite different from what we saw, sometimes for the better

@IrieMangaStudios
 
Sorry, I meant to say “NOT taking sides of the argument”

@CogWeaver  
THANK YOU
 
Finally, it gets said.

Never went with Mary Sue for Twilight, always called it Executive Meddling to sell new toys, where “rushed” changes to the character is less about character growth and more about new product line to sell. And the overall storyline and premise suffers to relate the new look.
 
I guess I am going to take sides on the agruement, what’s done is done. I was concerned about this since the end of S2 when they throw in Shining Armor and Cadence into the mix and honestly, S3 just didn’t match up with the last two seasons. I just wish to see what storylines were set in mind before Faust left and the rules set in this world of Equestria.
 
Final note: I am not upset that Twilight Sparkle becomes an alicorn, but really, how is becoming an alicorn automatically make Twilight princess worthy?!?

I turned HeroInferno into a mare, for one thing.

Just tested out my Alicorn Sword by the way. Turns out one of its ancillary abilities is a fetish beam!