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Fury Belle #42 - Theres Nothing Finer than a Well Hung Cis
There’s an SJW thread where I linked this, if you’re interested in continued conversation.
I’m sure Cirrus Light does. Ask Looneymoon also probably does, and is only trying to defend her viewpoint…despite no one actually attacking it in the first place.
“Feminists don’t act like this!”
“Yeah, some of them do.”
Unfortunately, because Catfood McFly decided to depict the “crazy extremist” side of feminism, Ask Looneymoon seems to believe Catfood is depicting how all feminists, everywhere, act all the time.
There are a great many sane, pleasant feminists out there, even on Tumblr, but they never get any attention because insanity is what grabs people’s attention.
Someone disagrees with you. It happens.
Nah, I think I’ll address some of the misconceptions you bring up.
Who’s “we”? I certainly don’t. I don’t think you do, either. Do you mean society in general? Because I don’t get that impression, either. Citations needed.
There’s also a gender-specific derogratory term for males: Bastard. Derogratory terms exist. That’s a thing. And it’s more about the fact that you’re calling them a female dog, than just a female.
Wage | gap | myth.
This whole paragraph has no real substance but general, nebulous claims that run contrary to my experience.
“Subserviant”, as in, to act like a servant. That’s what it is to do things for someone: rendering service. I wasn’t complaining about it, or casting it in a negative light, just mentioning it.
Yet I’ve known people who have had their lives ruined by mere allegations, despite a lack of any evidence. Herman Cain’s presidency campaign came crashing down by nothing more than anonymous accusations of sexual assault - not even rape. That’s scary powerful.
If there’s no evidence, then there shouldn’t be a case, our system of law is “innocent until proven guilty.”
Yes, thanks for asking, though admittedly it’s been doing original data analysis on globular clusters for the university’s astrophysics department, not social science.
They have, absolutely. However, they’re less culturally expected to be able to provide income for their families, though, which is something a college degree is vital for. The culturally expected role for women is more emotional and involves absolutely vital, but still skills that don’t require a college degree. The fact that there are women’s colleges, and that colleges accept women as readily as men is, in light of those cultural expectations, an advantage offered towards women. Yet…
No. Very clearly I stated:
Despite the higher demand for men due to the greater expectation from society for them to support a family with income, making a college degree more valuable to them, I’m actually quite happy with women having just as much opportunity as men in education: I’m a strong supporter of education in general.
Then why did you ask a question? You realize you’re saying that people aren’t allowed to disagree with you, right?
Yes. There was some rampant sexism then. Which makes this statement confusing that you’d said earlier:
Oh yes, definitely. Internationally women are in some terrible situations in other countries.
The difference is, war is much more clearly a bigger thing. Lots of people dying, and very clearly see it happening. I don’t see sexism as much.
No, it’s just it’s hard to accept people saying; “x is happening everywhere and all the time,” when I don’t see it happening, myself, at all.
So you’re going to make judgements about me and my ability to understand something based off of my race? There’s a word for that. Take a gander at what it might be.
Okay. A million people may hold a view, but if they’re silent about it, it makes no difference, so you’re only shooting yourself and your cause in the foot. If you want someone to agree with your viewpoints, you must convince them, rather than secluding yourself to a corner of the internet where everyone agrees and your views only become more extreme by being in an echo chamber. It’s better to talk with people who disagree, try to understand their viewpoints instead of demonizing them, to better educate yourself, them, and sharpen your wit.
But hey, that’s just advice from an astrophysicist, and while it may not be your job to educate me, sure enough, I plan to make it my job to educate others, so I like to converse with others to ensure I have my facts straight.
Also, “brony” came about as a term because 4channers thought calling fans of the show “bro+pony = brony” was a catchy nickname because it rhymes with “pony,” and the male demographic stood out a lot more than the intended female demographic, so they got more attention. It’s not because everyone’s oppressing women.
What the fuck?
Have you ever even read about feminism? Don’t talk to me.
It’s more than systematic oppression, it’s ingrained into our society. We see women as weak, insignificant, and unimportant. We call people “bitches” to be demeaning towards them. A woman will get paid less for the same job a man does for no reason aside from the fact that she’s a woman.
Now to address your “points”.
You say it’s already not socially acceptable to not treat a woman as a person, and yet it goes far beyond that. Women are STILL objectified largely and no one does anything to stop it. You have no idea what it is like to be a woman who is not socially defined as attractive, either. “Ugly” women are social outcasts and treated like garbage. They do not get hired for jobs and often wind up in shitty apartment complexes or trailer parks, visiting the local food pantry multiple times a month. Historically women were treated well. Women were treated like people. And it’s stopped. We are not treated like people any more. Men do not listen when they have something to say. When they are angry they are told that it’s their “time of the month”. You have no idea how hard it is to be taken seriously as a woman, either.
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT BEING POLITE IS A SUBSERVIENT POSITION. Are you told to submit to your wife’s every whim when you get married? No one enforces you to be a “gentleman”, it’s just the nice thing to do. Anyone will hold a door open for you. It’s not a law to do so. The idea of “ladies first” is dated, but being a gentleman is just another way of saying you’re polite and do nice things. That is NOT oppression and you should feel horrible for even trying to compare the two. I have little to say about the law portion of your argument, because I am not well-versed in law and it is known that women are less likely to get charged for a crime. At the same time however, when they report crimes, such as rape or mugging, they are also far less likely to be taken seriously and their cases are rarely followed through with.
Drafting in general is terrible and should be eradicated entirely. Women are not drafted at all and no one should have to be.
Do you listen to what you are saying? Do you even research? Women have always been providers for their families and in many ways. Throughout history, women have worked jobs (full-time and part-time, depending on the time period) to make money and have also been entrusted with the preliminary care of the children. Men are culturally expected to be providers, but so is everyone. Every person has to carry their own weight. You must be able to provide for yourself or else you are to be excluded from regular societal norms. It is not just a cultural thing. How dare you say that it is optional? It is just as necessary for women to be able to provide for themselves and for others as well, perhaps even more than men are. What do you mean a “higher demand for men”?! Are you even listening to yourself? Do you mean to say that women should not be allowed to go to college? What does college have to do with being able to support and provide for yourself and your family? You need to be more specific. Don’t, though, because I don’t want to hear anything more from you. What do you mean that women are allowed more? You speak of traditional roles as if you don’t remember that it was less than a hundred years ago that women were even allowed to vote. It was not too long ago that only men were allowed in colleges and schools, and the idea of a woman going to school was ridiculous. They eventually created women-only schools because the idea of a woman going to school with a man was even more outlandish. How dare you say that women are allowed to go to school more. It has nothing to do with your fictional “demand for men”.
Women are less advantaged than men. Don’t even get me started on women of color. All of the disadvantages I have mentioned are even worse if you are from a foreign country, or even if you were born in America and your ethnicity is not white. You are then far more LIKELY to be accused of a crime, you are more likely to be called out, less likely to get a job, to be taken seriously, to win in court when you are innocent, and you are completely subjected to the will of the white man.
That brings me to another point: FEMINISM IS NOT JUST IN AMERICA. Feminism is about the wellbeing of women EVERYWHERE. I cannot even begin to list the countless ways that women are oppressed across the globe. Even little girls, in certain Indian cultures, are expected to get married at the age of five, and if their husband dies, they must literally throw their lives away. AT THE AGE OF FIVE.
Who cares if the people you know don’t objectify women? That’s like saying that war isn’t a problem because none of your friends have ever been in a war. It’s ridiculous. You think it’s amazing that your friends don’t objectify women? That should be the STANDARD. You can’t expect to be heralded as some sort of hero just because you’re NOT a jerk. Women are largely objectified. Feminism is necessary. People NEED to know the truth.
I can’t even talk to you about racism. You’re going to have to learn about that yourself. All I’m going to tell you is that if you are white, you are already biased. You have NEVER had to experience what colored people go through and never will. Therefore, your judgement is already clouded.
I will no longer be a part of this conversation. I have said my piece and I don’t want to waste my time educating every single brony that likes Fury Belle.
(by the way, “brony” in and of itself is a sexist term, reinforcing that males should be regarded as some sort of saints for liking something that is literally girly and that that’s some sort of major achievement that isn’t something that should be regarded as normal, also it feels it has to segregate itself from the show, providing for itself an outlet where people can enjoy the show without having to face the fact that they like something that’s intended for girls)
You’re right, feminism isn’t trumpeting, feminism is the thing that some people trumpet. And it’s already not socially acceptable to not treat women like people; heck, culturally and historically women have been held up on a pedestal: crimes committed against women are punished more severely than the same crime against a man, traditions exist that put the man in a subserviant position: working for her, opening the door for her, paying for her meals, etc. A man and a woman committing a crime, the man is more likely to be convicted, and 4x less likely to be let off death row, and 100% less likely to get drafted into a war to die without having committed any crime at all. Historically there has been systematic oppression but now I can’t think of anything legislature-wise that advantages men; unless you’re a fan of possibly getting forced to boot camp and go fight in hell/war and probably die.
Something else that’s probably worth mentioning is that while men are culturally expected to be providers, it is merely optional for women, yet colleges admit about as many women as men, and there are even women’s colleges; so despite the higher need/demand for men, women are allowed just as much; heck, even more. But I’m not even complaining about that one - I’m just stating that I think it’s falicious to say women are less advantaged for the above listed reasons. Heck, honestly, I’m okay with all that stuff I wrote above. Maybe not all men are like this, but I like women and think it’s fair for them to be valued in the ways I’ve mentioned.
And yes, there are still plenty of people that objectify women and are generally jerks, but I think most people consider them jerks for it already; at least I do and would hope most others do; most the people I know and associate with don’t objectify or any of that crap.
Also, racism is discriminating based off of race. By definition, that can go either way. Saying those two people in that interview were acting inappropriately because they were white, and that they didn’t have a right or ability to hold an intellectual discussion / disagree with Suey Park because of what race they were born as, is racism.
Feminism is not trumpeting. Nobody can help it if the world doesn’t listen when women want to be treated like people. And seriously? Reverse racism isn’t a thing. Anyone who thinks it is needs a reality check.
I’m all for the original ideas of feminism in principle, but the problem is there are far too many extremists who take on the view, then trumpet it around in such an extreme that it becomes, basically, Fury Belle.
I wish this was a rare exception, but what happens with social media sites where everyone agrees is these viewpoints resonate with themselves and become more and more extreme, until you get some rather blatant reverse racism and sexism, that just about typifies a lot of people who identify as feminists or SJW’s.
Social justice warriors don’t do that.
We know that, this comic is simply making fun of the feminists that don’t understand that themselves, better known as Social Justice Warriors.
Clearly, you don’t know what feminism really is. It’s about loving and promoting those who don’t get enough promotion, like girls! We don’t want to put anyone down at all, much less have them kill themselves!
No, no it’s dead on.
???? No way. Feminism isn’t anything like that! We don’t want anyone to die, much less kill themselves!
Dude, “Well Hung” can be a euphemism for something totally unrelated to asphyxiation or neck-snapping. Given this is Catfood, I’m sure that particular phrasing was deliberate.
With how you’ve written that, it implies you mean to hang them by something other than their neck.
I wonder if Whiteface is cis…
Just making a small reference to the game of tag in the game that was referenced, “Imscared”.