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Flash Sentry is one of the most polarizing characters in the Brony fandom. So how can I talk about him and troll him at the same time?
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Heh, I certainly won’t argue that.
I’m getting bored anyway, and we’ve already reached an understanding regarding Human Flash. So there’s no point in continuing. Superman has always been a confusing topic anyway.
That is simply not true. His experiences are identical in essence, even when they’re different in effect. If his experiences were so completely unique that he had absolutely no point of contact to the people around him, he would not have any basis on which to communicate with anyone. Any language that passed between him and any ordinary person would be totally meaningless, which is obviously not the case.
We can’t experience what he experiences. I mean he might relate to us but we can’t relate to him. Therefore it’s impossible to connect with him.
You’re really hung up on these external qualifications, which, as I already pointed out, are completely removable. Superman’s absurd powers make him no less, and certainly no more, of a person than anyone else.
And yes, this is off topic.
And again that changes nothing. Sure Superman can walk and act like us. But even he understands, that no matter what, he will never be truly human. Sure he can eat, sleep, breath, have sexual intercourse like other humans. But the difference is, he doesn’t have any of those things to survive, Humans do. He just does it as a formality. It goes far beyond mere superficial abilities. He on a level no human can ever reach. That’s why he works better as a positive symbol rather than a relatable character.
Again, we’re getting way off topic.
Edited because: R7
Again, that’s nonsense. Superman is very obviously human in appearance and spirit, and only external qualities separate him from the rest of humanity. All humans are physically distinct from one another to some degree. Or was Prince Randian less of a human because he was born without arms or legs? Being bulletproof and having x-ray vision are abilities that can come and go with sunlight; they are totally superficial, and distinct from the soul of the character.
Superman has infinitely more in common with other people than some monster.
I’m just going the other person’s logic.
I used the the “thing” comparison because if anything, it and Supes have more in common with each other.
“One is essentially a human with extraordinary—but still superficial—capabilities”
That means nothing, unless you or someone you know, are capable of doing the exact same thing, or all I described earlier. None of that makes him any more relatable.
“the other is a monster with no real ties to human experience”
At one point Superman was like that.
What a nonsensical comparison. One is essentially a human with extraordinary—but still superficial—capabilities; the other is a monster with no real ties to human experience. I’m amazed you can’t see the difference.
He can also bench press planets, survive supernovas, and at one point, sneezed so hard he destroyed a solar system.
If you wanna put it that way? John Carpenter’s The Thing can also look and act like a human for a reason. Does that it relatable?
Nah, you can’t possibly do that. He looks human and acts human for a reason.
That is untrue, it is perfectly possible to write a interesting Superman story without making him relatable. it’s been done plenty of times. If I could, I would give a list of stories.
Being a “positive symbol” and in some ways relatable are not mutually exclusive propositions. If Superman had no point of contact with the audience, they’d be about as interested in him personally as some soulless machine.
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I’d rather not see any crazy foreign spinoffs, honestly. Too many different continuities just mean headaches for everyone. Besides, EqG isn’t bad, it just has some loose ends that need tying.
But yeah, I have no doubt that even if they totally nail it with Flash next time, many people will still complain.
There is just one thing I am concerned with. IF Flash is fleshed out, It may not or never change the minds of most people and how they think about Flash. No matter how hard it is presented. In those minds, they’ll still see Flash as a Marty-Stu, lack of character and personality, and will continue to call him “Trash” Sentry or whatever nasty name that comes up next.
Gundam Seed was decent. Gundam Seed Destiny is considered the worst.
And I STILL don’t understand why Gundam SEED is considered the worst series due to Kira “Jesus” Yamato. Honestly, this was the first Gundam series I have ever encountered. Second one being Mobile Suit Gundam.
It’s been established many times that Superman isn’t meant to be relatable. He meant to be a positive symbol, something for people to aspire to. He’s basically Celestia but that’s a topic for another time.
That’s why it’s called a SUB-plot. It didn’t have to be the movie’s primary focus, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be addressed. Same for the sequel. But I am willing to give Human Flash the benefit of the doubt one last time, but I’m not holding my breath at this point.
yeah chances are, it’ll never happen because any male character that isn’t discord at the is point ain’t gonna get much meaningful character development. not mention this is nothing to flesh out as it’s been pointed out he basically a gary stu.
If Superman wasn’t meant to be relatable on some level, he wouldn’t be so humanish. He has the same looks and the same feelings as everyone else, or else you might as well just call him “Superalienguy.”
As for Twilight and Flash, if they don’t do anything with those two from this point, then I’ll agree that it’s all been a big waste of time. The first two movies have introduced us to Flash, but we have yet to get to know him too deeply. If the first movie was largely about Twilight’s strange adventures in another world, and the second about Sunset’s redemption, then maybe they’re freed up now to explore this issue further in the third movie.
In Superman’s case, it doesn’t work because he’s not meant to be relatable.
If the there isn’t a reason for attraction then why even bother with it in the first place? Why implement a romantic subplot to movie (a fantasy one mind you) and not do anything with it? What does it do for Twilight’s character? What does it do for Flash’s?
If there’s no reasons for the attraction, then this just diminishes Flash’s character even further. Because there’s no really no real reason for him being there. If he’s not there form the romance, what is he there for? What is he to the story?
Spike’s attracted to Rarity, but at least it going somewhere, Even on episodes that aren’t focussed on them.
Flash had TWO movies where he was played to be the romantic interest. And nothing was done with either. How do you explain that?
Actually, I imagine that if Superman has clumsy moments, shooting for some measure of relatability is precisely the reason for them.
I am not saying that because Flash is more down-to-earth than a real Marty Stu, you’re somehow obligated to like him. I’m only pointing out that he truly isn’t one.
Also, Flash may be made for Twilight in the sense that he clearly wasn’t introduced for his own sake, but he wasn’t made to “fit” her. And as for attraction, who needs a reason? A crush can hit anyone, and oftentimes is completely inexplicable. There doesn’t have to be a reason that they started having feelings for one another, but there will absolutely have to be more to it if it’s to progress much further. Infatuation will only get you so far, after all.
Hypothesized or not, it still feels contrived, because it wasn’t brought up till the very and it just so happens that the Rainbooms needed a sixth member.
I’m pretty sure Flash really was a “made-to-order” boyfriend for Twilight because if he wasn’t then;
1)they would not have as gotten along as well and how fast as they did in the first movie. Nor would Flash do that crazy dance with Twilight.
2)it would make this pairing bit more pointless than it already is.
3)even if he wasn’t made-for-order to Twilight, he certainly is to other girls.
All this begs the question, what exactly does Twilight like about Flash and Vice versa? Again, something that should have been addressed by now.
And I’m sorry but it going to take far more than few clumsy moments to make me give a rat’s ass about Flash as a character. Because they’re at least over a dozen far more interesting characters in others media are exactly like that. It’s nothing new. You wanna know who else is occasionally clumsy at times? Superman. Does that make him relatable? Of course not.
It’s been hypothesized that the reason Sunset knows how to play is because Flash taught her. Hopefully McCarthy goes along with that, it’s a good headcanon.
Pretty sure the intuition that article mentions is in regard to personal, emotional needs, not external ones like Twilight’s being framed. And Flash actually doesn’t work as a Relationship Stu anyway, because as some people have pointed out, he’s not really what one would expect a made-to-order boyfriend for Twilight would be. That concept was parodied with Hans in Frozen, when his musical number with Anna implied that the two of them had an absurd level of overlapping interests and personality traits. Flash, on the other hand, is completely distinct from Twilight, and the most intuitive he’s ever been to her personal needs was when he participated in her crazy dancing.
I would also say that his clumsy awkwardness is understandable for a guy his age and makes him seem more relatable. That attribute causes him to appear less like some dreamy ultra-cool Romeo, not more like one. To say that a guy like Flash, a slightly klutzy guitar player who is in every way possible completely normal, is some angelic female fantasy come to life is a gargantuan stretch.
There are more than one forms of “Stu” if he’s not a Marty, he’s definitely a Romantic Stu. Being a Klutz can very easily be applied into being a Romantic Stu. Because as it says in the definition, He can ANYTHING a girl can dream of. That includes being a Klutz. And I highly doubt, being klutz really works as a flaw because it barely hinders Flash’s character.
And it also says this, “he’s more intuitive to the needs of his beloved”
Which was basically his purpose in EgG 1 in a nutshell, bailing Twilight out. I wouldn’t have a problem with that if it wasn’t for the fact that it ALL HE WAS GOOD FOR. And the worst part is, that it didn’t even have to be him.
“The only guitar players in RR are Flash, Sunset, and Dash, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about there”
You forgot Trixie. What I’m saying is that Flash’s only real character trait is rendered completely moot.
The definition of a “Stu” on TV Tropes doesn’t fit Flash at all for the most part, so again, that’s hyperbole. If he were a Stu, why is he such a klutz? Why is he always getting brainwashed right along with the rest of the crowd? Why isn’t he an action hero in any sense whatsoever? Why isn’t he constantly the center of attention? Why aren’t all the girls after him? It’s an erroneous claim, plain and simple. Being a pleasant person does not a Stu or a “Ken doll” make.
The only guitar players in RR are Flash, Sunset, and Dash, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about there.
Anyway, I can understand the complaint that he isn’t all that “memorable”, as you put it, but there’s no need to grasp at straws to justify that perspective. It’s simply that there hasn’t been much to get terribly excited about with him yet.