Can we get a mod consensus on the spoiler:s08e14 vs. spoiler:s08e18 tags?

@ArmadilloEater  
But we delete spoiler tags from images after the season.
 
The tags serve their purpose during the season to help people avoid spoilers. They don’t have a long term purpose which is why they’re only visible in the tag details of the episode name in subsequent years.
 
Why do you want tags that we delete after the season to be right “down the road”?

@Derpy Whooves  
We don’t delete the spoiler tags. We alias them into the episode name tag.

@Derpy Whooves  
… but we don’t delete spoiler tags? Look, we alias ‘em, as I said. You are looking at this from the “filtering” angle only, while most people aren’t really talking about that at all.
 
@Derpyfan  
C’mon man, no need to go that way :T
 
^{%PS: Zeb, everytime you ninja me it makes me want to kill you just a little more >:(%}

Ok, people seem to be very concerned that the opinion of the majority is not being respected, so let’s talk about how the tags are actually being used today.
 
Today, as of this moment:
 
4,583 filters spoiler or hide “spoiler:s08e14”
 
67 filters spoiler or hide “spoiler:s08e18”
 
What is the benefit of breaking 4,583 filters which are working today to spoiler the episodes that have already aired, compared to making sure that the site’s filtering stops using the aired dates, and starts respecting the sequence numbers used on other sites?

@Zeb  
In other words, there is a long-term reason for changing it now instead of later.
 
@ArmadilloEater  
Fine
 
@Derpy Whooves  
Can you at least try to understand why people care about this?

@Derpy Whooves  
Lemme try to give you some examples of why people are confused about this choice:  
1- It’s strange, knowing that we have an official line-up that clearly states Yaketi is ep 18, we have confirmation from staff it’s supposed to be 18, and other major MLP sites have decided to label it as 18 as well.  
2- The main (if not only) argument for it being 14 is us following release order. But here it don’t make no sense: the ep was released out of schedule, as a special event. It wasn’t released on a saturday as usual, and I hear it wasn’t even finished? Not sure on that last part.  
3- If we don’t change it now, the whole rest of the season will be tagged “incorrectly”. Incorrectly, according to the official lineup. We’re going against official numbering out of stubbornness at this point, and it’s confusing (rightly so) to users. I don’t understand either.  
4- Since we do use those spoiler tags to find episodes down the line, like “let me find episode 05 of season 3”, if you do care about tag accuracy (which a lot of people do) having half a season misstagged with no good explanation ruffles a lot jimmies.
 
Probs more but I’m sleepy. Hope that helps you.

@ArmadilloEater  
“Ruffles a lot of Jimmies.”? That’s a classic expression. Only time I heard it in the modern era was in Fallout 4. But on topic, I agree.

@ArmadilloEater  
Yes, that’s right - I’m looking at this from the spoilering/filtering perspective only.
 
We really encourage people to filter episodes; especially if they for some reason object strongly to the themes or characters in the episode.
 
But if we break their filters because some people think we should be using a production order instead of an aired order - then it’s our fault that their filters don’t work any more.
 
For some people, that just means the episode is “spoiled” for them.
 
But for some people it means being banned because seeing themes and characters that they don’t want to see causes them to break Rules #4 or #0.
 
We can’t tell people to “filter things they don’t want to see” with one breath, then delete their posts or ban them when they break Rules #4 or #0 because we broke their filters.
 
It’s been explained already by others that this is how spoilers work on this site, and how they contribute to people being able to avoid spoiling shows they haven’t seen yet, and how this makes it possible for some people to filter themes and characters that they can’t see without acting out or creating drama.
 
And today, for 4,583 people, filtering or hiding “spoiler:s08e14” is working fine.
 
And this “handling spoilers by aired date instead of production date” is also true for “A Matter of Principals”, and will be true for “The Hearth’s Warming Club”, “Friendship University”, and “The End In Friend” in this season.
 
Changing how we handle spoilers in the middle of this sequence of “production order doesn’t equal aired order” seems like a really bad idea.
 
At the least, you’re breaking filters for 4,583 people who have done what we ask and who are using the site as it works today.
 
@Derpyfan  
Looking through the filters in use by people in this thread, only ONE of you actually filters or watches these spoiler tags, so I’m sorry that you feel that your wishes and concerns are not being fully considered, but I think the wishes and concerns of the people who are actually using these tags should be considered as well.
 
And right now, I think adding some way to represent the production order on images for searching is something that can be discussed without breaking all of the filters using the spoiler tags, or changing how the site works with spoiler tags in mid-season.

@Derpy Whooves  
Aaaand you’re gonna ignore all I wrote in favor of responding with a wall of text that amounts to “I just care about filters”. Ok I’m done, gonna find some tequila and think about why I still bother.

@Derpy Whooves  

 
Alias the E14 spoiler tag into the E18 spoiler tag to move the filters. Then reset them. Filter problem solved.
 
Possibly the reason so many people have that filtered is because it’s what we forced them to use at the moment. I don’t have any proof of that, it’s only a guess.  
But if your only concern is the filters. Aliasing is an easy and very fast solution.

@Zeb  
Yeah, aliasing has never been a problem before.

@Zeb  

 
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@ArmadilloEater  
And I feel like you’re ignoring me - you didn’t even include the importance of filtering in your list, and you didn’t reply to what I said about the current use of the tag on this site.
 
Today filters is what that tag is for. If people are also using the spoilers to look up episodes, then on this site they can look them up based on per-season aired order which is available on the MLP Wiki. I’m sure that creating a set of ProductionOrder tags is something that could be done from the existing Spoiler tags via a script.
 
If people want a way to search by production order, that’s something that can be created.
 
But I think that completely ignoring filters that are currently in use on the site is not great idea.
 
@Derpyfan  
I don’t know why you insist on ignoring what I’m saying and making this personal, but I’m not taking your bait.

@Derpy Whooves  
No bait.

@Derpy Whooves  
Read Zeb’s posts… Filtering isn’t an issue… it’s not even a factor in this recent discussion… you decided to make it your main argument for some reason, and now you’re telling me I’m not listening? Nevermind tequila, I need my rope. Unsubbing from thread for my sanity’s sake, goddamn.  

 
Because my list was to help you see what you were missing, what other people were worried about… why would I list the one thing YOU were… nvm… Just…

@Zeb  
Yeah, I was gonna say that too. They filter the tag that currently is assigned to the episode. We don’t know if they just did it that way or if they were forced to adapt to the ruling that is currently in place for the order of episode numbers here.

Can’t you put up one of them top banner thingies explaining the situation and alias the tags( or what y’all were talking about)? I very rarely give any oppinion on things, but I very much care about the accuracy of tags.

@Background Pony #3057  
If that helps, that is.

@Background Pony #3057  
You could’ve just edited your original post.

@Derpyfan  
Not as an account-less anon. Will not let me do that.

@Background Pony #3057  
Oh.

@Derpy Whooves  
Looking through the filters in use by people in this thread, only ONE of you actually filters or watches these spoiler tags  
Am I really the only one in here who has Episode 18 (complex) spoilered but not spoiler:s08e14 or yakity-sax? I have spoiler:s08 complex-filtered with all the aired episodes added as exceptions.
 
If people want a way to search by production order, that’s something that can be created  
What would that look like? I’d suggest spoiler:episode187 or spoiler:ep187 for Yakity Sax, that would allow for every episode to be tagged according to both airdate and production order; someone would need to go through the wiki and check all of the alt text on the episode numbers where those don’t match to get a pure Production Order List, but it should be fairly simple for y’all to add the tags and implications all at once.
 
I mean, the s00e00 tags here and the ep000 listings on the wiki would still be incorrect because DiscoFam previewed YS out order, but it would let people who care about the correct airing order– sans special events and sneak previews, etc.– have a way to spoiler episodes based on it while still maintaining the Derpi Standard.
 
@Lead Pie  
We don’t know if they just did it that way or if they were forced to adapt to the ruling that is currently in place  

Welp, now Episodes 14 and 15 are being mistagged as 15/16. So, we’re going to keep things out of order until we hit 19 in a month or so?

@Love Letter  
Or until the remaining mods realize they’re wrong. Whichever comes first.