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Can you believe that nearly a year later I still get people coming to me saying ‘BUT THAT’S NOT HOW IT’S SUPPSOED TOBY!!!!1!!!1!!2
 
Truth be told, it doesn’t really bother me; people have their opinions, I love arguing, it works out for everyone. Still, I often find myself repeating myself repeating myself. SO! I figured I’d give people what they wanted; but at the cost of illustrating a point:
 
Why I don’t care for these matchups.
 
As an overview, my big problem with most of these crossovers was that for each bit of sense they make, there is a gaping scar in the ration used to defend them that people often seem to think should be ignored. These matchups pick and choose which character traits to ignore and to expand upon unevenly; taking one trait and ignoring it in one character, then focusing on that same trait in another, even when said trait is no more or less present in either.
 
For the record, I don’t have a problem with the popular setup; I just don’t like it is all. :P Even much less now that I’ve had hundreds of bronies hell bent on telling me why they think it’s right. XD
 
 
TWILIGHT SNOIPAH:  
Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to friendship everypony you meet.  
While I won’t argue a sniper needs to know his stuff, I will say that when the Soldier can build a bazooka from garbage, we can safely assume every class is an expert in their particular field of interest; for this reason, I disregarded Sniper’s ‘weaponized math’ nature, and when trying to find a class for Twilight, looked for a class that broke the mold by having an expanse of knowledge beyond their particular purpose; hence, Engineer and Medic (the latter of which expressed interest in learning magic). In essence, Sniper actually undermines Twilight’s intelligence to focus on said intelligence; it’s self-contradictory.
 
The idea of taking a princess/scientist/magician who turns animals into oranges, teleports, and lives in a magical library (now a crystal castle), has studied magic and friendship for years and making her into a class whose job is to hide and shoot seemed underwhelming; especially given Twilight’s always one to lead a charge.
 
Aesthetically, I could simply not negotiate Twilight’s nature with Sniper’s Crocodile Dundee setup; the only items that I could see her using of his are the Outback Intellectual and Sir Hootsalot.
 
For me, Twilight had to be either Engineer or Medic. They’re the only two classes that feel right, even if only a third of Engi’s items fit her.
 
Twilight Sparkle is wearing the Snaggletooth, Koala Compact, and for added effect, her Princess Regalia.
 
 
ENGINEER-JACK:  
Not problems like what is beauty; because that would fall under your pur-whatsit of your philundroms of colonoscopy! Wait… I think I said that wrong…  
Southern accents basically condemned Applejack to a role as Engineer in the hearts and minds of many stubborn (and more than a little butthurt) bronies. Ever since I drew Twilight-Engi, this group labeled me their Arch-Nemesis (and nobody’s written an evil theme song for me yet!)
 
With his accent and an assortment of Texas-styled items, it seems impossible to challenge Apple-Engi; indeed, some might wonder why I bothered. The answer, of course, being that the other half of his set is very sciency; and Applejack is not a sciency pony. Additionally, Applejack just strikes me more as a physical pony than a gadgeteer; Engi can realistically lose a one-on-one fight with a Medic (often portrayed as Fluttershy) without his sentries.
 
The biggest fall for me on this matchup comes from the aesthetics, admittedly. How is it that stubborn gentleman who blocked me for throwing his own game in his face used to do it…? Oh yes!
 
:icontwilightsparkleplz:  
‘Dominated, Booksmarts!’  
‘Dominated, you cactus eating egghead!’
 
I won’t say Applejack is dumb, but she’s hardly the genius of the bunch.
 
Applejack is wearing the Brainiac Hairpiece, the Googly Gazer, and the Special Eyes, and is wielding the Eureka Effect.
 
 
FLUTTERMEDIC:  
Oops, that was not kindness!  
I blame Meet the Medic for ruining this matchup for me; until then I thought he was your typical war doctor. Now, I picture him as a guy who… well… conducts ethically questionable experiments on his friends for curiosity’s sake.
 
I find the argument for Fluttershy’s kind, harmless nature as Medic funny, because despite it, most people depict Fluttershy as more like the Medic when she’s drawn, gleefully cutting her friends open and whatnot, rather than as herself (shy, cowardly, reserved). It also assumes you just play pocket Medic and don’t defend yourself even when your pocket is dead and it’s shoot or die. Plus, kill assists; the Medic is just as responsible for killing his patient’s enemies as his patients are for using guns to kill them (or so I reason). Medic is often target number one for a reason; as long as he’s alive, he’s trouble. His mere presence is a threat.
 
Plus, of the support classes, he’s the most dangerous without relying on assassination; his CQC skills are greater than Spy’s or Sniper’s (who rely on either snappy headshots or face-stabs to win a fight against an enemy who has gotten close and/or spotted them).
 
Aesthetically, the scientifically inclined morbid doktor could not be more different from nature-loving, tree hugging Fluttershy. No matter what role she fills, Fluttershy will have to be negotiated with death and character; same as everypony else.
 
Plus, Fluttershy running around in the thick of battle while Applejack hides in a base with a sentry nest and Twilight hides behind barrels and corners just seems off.
 
Fluttershy is wearing the Das Maddendoktor (sans funky hair) and the Quadwrangler.
 
 
DEMOZECORA  
One wayward pinch of Potassium Chlorate would be enough to seal my fate!  
I’m going to be perfectly honest; I originally thought Twilight made a better Demomare than Zecora. Then it changed to Pinkie Pie, Applejack, and at one point Derpy (if only because her Monoculus would be hilarious). The argument of Zecora as Demo is that she knows how to mix things…. what that argument ignores is what she mixes. Zecora specializes in herbs and plants; she’s a medicine mare. While it’s not too far fetched to mix her herbalism into the bomb making business (magical ponies, wouldn’t be surprised if they had an exploding plant somewhere in there) what seemed off for me is the bomb thing, once more, because she’s a medicine mare and likely fits more as Medic.
 
Aesthetically, I think my biggest problem here is that the Demoman has a family history of bomb-makers, a legacy, and holds his family dear to his heart (as evidenced by the fact that, despite living in a mansion, he still lives with his mum). Zecora has none of those that we are made aware of (tho I’d love to learn more about her; she seems like she must have some interesting past as a potion maker). The only thing I can relate these two with is that, considering her balancing act on the bamboo pole, I imagine she’s a capable melee combatant.
 
 
PINKIE PYRO  
Mmmf mmmpf mm mmrfmmmrmrrf!  
I will be perfectly honest; I cannot really argue against Pinkie Pyro. It fits. Both are nutty, both have fun, etc.
 
The reason I didn’t choose it, however, is because it was boring.
 
Pinkie Pie is loud, abnoxious, and hides toys and stuff all over town. Pyro just runs around corners, sets things on fire, and blows things off cliffs; fun and all, but fairly limited, in my mind, for the pink party pony. I feel that the Pyro restricts what one can do with Pinkie, and that’s why I’d choose just about any class (because Pinkie can basically fit all of them) before Pyro.
 
 
Sorry that that was a lot; you won’t believe how many people actually argue with me about this. If I didn’t find thrill in argument (for a short while anyway) I dare say I might ignore some of them! XD

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Background Pony #82B0
@Background Pony #35B5  
Also, just so you won’t freak out on me, I noticed I missed your comment about the Medic.
 
I’m not saying you’re saying the Medic is nice, but your argument suggests you want to make her as innocent or as harmless as you possibly can, ignoring the fact that there is no such thing as a harmless class in Team Fortress 2, just classes with different means of doing harm.
Background Pony #82B0
@Background Pony #35B5  
You need to double-check whatever source you’re reading from, because simple physics says if you’re right next to a person when you shoot them you’ll be able to make out just as much (if not more) detail as a guy who is miles away and shooting them through a scope.
 
I’m familiar with Metal Gear Solid, and her name is Sniper Wolf, not Solid Wolf. It is also a game that is about people who live their lives on the battlefield. The TF2 Sniper didn’t spend his entire life living in war and battle, he spent decades living in the Austrian Outback. It’s right in his story, and even if he had spend his life in a battlefield, once more I feel the need to ask why Fluttershy should get preferential treatment.
 
I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS TOO. Cool huh? I’m not being an ass I’m afraid, I’m trying to give you the best answers I can while keeping it relatively short. If I miss something, feel free to bring it up again and call attention to it in a response.
 
I think you need glasses, because I didn’t say you took Twilight out of the role of Medic. I am responding directly to your comments, so if I say something that seems wrong its because you said something wrong.
 
I think people just make Pinkie the Pyro because of Cupcakes and some love of making Pinkie Pie a psychopathic killer. The Pyro doesn’t care about parties or making people happy, he just likes setting fires.
Background Pony #621B
@Background Pony #5E74  
Okay, my second last comment before this one may have had a reference to a fanfic, but the one I posted before this reply had nothing to do with a fanfic.
 
What’s more, the one involving the human, that was A Metal Gear Solid character, Sniper Wolf. The Game Series of Metal Gear might be silly, but it’s also serious when it has to be. Why else will it be well known for story telling!?
 
Also, why are you so insistent on Fluttershy being Sniper? Like I stated before, Canon Fluttershy hasn’t used any ranged attacks, she hasn’t used a Slingshot, fired a water Gun, hell, she hasn’t even thrown a rock in any Canon episode! And the reason I’m putting canon into the picture, is because you did so first.
 
And I also think you need glasses, cause the text I’ve been writing, Never Took Twilight out of the role of Medic. I put her in as Prime Candidate if Shimmer is inaccessable, with Fluttershy being backup!
 
So stop being an ass and read before posting. Also, the way you keep stating that no matter what role, Fluttershy is still killing, basically means in your case, she’s a cold hearted, piss throwing person with Parental issues on being Professional, not the shy, compassionate Mare that she is.
 
And no, I’m Not considering the medic to be a nice person, in fact, I know he’s completely insane! It’s just that I’m looking at it from a Role perspective, Not from a personality perspective, which YOU’RE DOING!
 
Also, with how Pyro Acts in the Canon TF2 comics, Pinkie’s just barely a Toe on the role of Pyro. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with PinkiEngi, but with how Random and Childish the Pyro acts in the comic… Yeah… He/She gets Dangerously close to being Pinkie.
Background Pony #82B0
@Background Pony #35B5  
Coming from a family with a hunter or two in it, I can tell you for a fact you have no idea how to build those traps. You also missed my point with that post.
 
So what if the Medic uses machines? All of the mercs use machines. The difference is that the Medic made his machines. He learned to harness them, he built them, and improved upon them. Just because he isn’t doing it himself doesn’t make it any less amazing.
 
Putting a middle-man in the mix doesn’t make Fluttershy innocent of any wrong-doing, you just remove her as the gunmare. If a guy sends another guy to kill someone for him, he’s still just as guilty of the murder as the assassin, he just doesn’t have his prints on the gun. One way or another, as a TF2 merc she’d be a killer, with the only question being how she kills. The Medic has to step over the corpses of people he helps kill, and if he has an ubercharge that could be a lot of corpses.
 
Once again, I warn you about using fan fiction to support your argument, because they aren’t exactly reliable sources of information, coming from people who might be just as ill-informed as you are.
Background Pony #621B
@Background Pony #5E74  
The animal trap Fluttershy uses is easy to make. Even a Child could make it! You just need patience and a good eye.
 
The Second one is a little more complex, though if you read on how to make traps and have a good memory, you can make your own as well. Also, the Sniper doesn’t use any of those traps, he just shoots them right in the head or throws Urine all over them. The Demo and Engi being the few who actually use anything that could be related to traps. And most of those always end in a corpse being riddled full of bullets or Gibs caused by missiles or bombs meeting unlucky son of a bitch.
 
What’s more, the Medic does that through Machines, Not magic, Machines. Plus, I never stated that Twilight’s a sniper. I said she’s second candidate for medic, with Shimmer being on top due to actually doing field work.
 
The only issue I have is Fluttershy being a sniper that ends lives through the scope of a rifle, where she can see the actual damage that she causes due to the long-range scope.
 
Characters like Sniper Wolf can do that because they’ve already lived through the horrors of war and were given a chance to stay as far away from the battlefield as possible due to having suffered enough trauma on the direct field and having already killed before. That was a human I just described, a person who’d already dealt in war.
 
Not a shy little pony with Confidence Issues and no known skills with Ranged Weapons. I mean, for goddesses sake! Fluttershy hadn’t even touched a Slingshot in canon!
Background Pony #82B0
@Background Pony #35B5  
Actually the Medic would logically be closest to wielding the element of magic than any of the mercs. He heals massive wounds in seconds, makes people invincible, slowly regenerates lost health, brings people back from the dead, and makes robot killing shields.
 
So what if the Sniper is a hunter? Twilight isn’t exactly a hunter herself, and the only reason one might assume she’s more likely to hurt animals than Fluttershy is not based on something she has actually done, but rather because she isn’t Fluttershy, which is odd because Fluttershy does know how to build animal traps. Considering they’re all portrayed as killers and war criminals anyway, Fluttershy as a hunter is not really that jarring a transition.
 
If you helped kill someone, you helped kill someone. The Medic may not be pulling the trigger, but he does nothing to prevent it either. He can kill people on his own, he’s just not designed to fight actual combat classes like the Soldier or Heavy, and even then with enough skill or if they’d taken enough damage, it’s an option.
 
I’m not sure I would use fan fiction to fight your battles for you, as they are prone to being inventive with character personalities. If a Sniper picks a target off from far away, he’s no more likely to know all the details of his enemies’ death than a guy who shot someone from point blank, who will physically be next to the body. A Sniper may not be able to make out such detail, and he may not care to once his target goes down.
Background Pony #621B
@Background Pony #5E74  
Read the last section of the First comment I posted. I included Twilight as well, stating how the Elements of Harmony might as well be non-existant from Twily’s backstory, since last I checked, getting kicked out of medical schools for acting like the medic isn’t what I’d call approprate for being the Element of Magicka.
 
Besides, the Sniper hunts for a living, and last I checked, he wasn’t catch and release. Fluttershy lives with various animals, some being Carnivorous like bears and possibly wolves, so she likely understands the law of the jungle.
 
I may agree with the medic’s experiments being twisted, but the reason I complain is because of Metal making the Equines being exactly like the mercs.
 
Besides, while it’s one thing to assist in a kill, it’s another to be the one who causes the kill, being the one who pulls the trigger or swings the sword and end the life by their own hands/hooves.
 
That was a Fact in the Fimfiction story, Teamwork is Magic, where the Sniper pointed out the cons of being a sniper, such as being the one who sees every little detail of ending a Target’s life via bullet to brain or vital organ. (I would add groin as vital, but that’s Combat Arms, not TF2.)
 
So, Fluttershy wouldn’t really be a sniper. Backup medic, possibly. (As in Twilight is still second top candidate for Medic, with Shimmer being on top. (she stated that she didn’t mind getting her hooves/hands dirty in the Sound of Music, implying Twilight spends more time in books rather than out doing field research.))
Background Pony #82B0
@Background Pony #35B5  
I didn’t say the Medic was the only one who insulted people. You implied that the Medic didn’t:  
A Class who Insults his opponents as he kills them, Gutting animals (Something Fluttershy would NEVER do and wouldn’t need to do) and throwing piss on people… For a LIVING!
 
Plus, the Medic clearly has no problem with gutting animals either. He buys exotic animal organs off the black market for his experiments, so clearly he doesn’t mind them being hunted and killed.
 
All of the classes are killers. They may do other things in-between, but violence is in all their job descriptions. Even the Medic’s job is “doctor assisted homicide”. The only difference is that for the Medic killing is often a two person job. I’m also confused as to how Fluttershy is too good to be someone whose only job is killing but none of the others are.
 
Saying Fluttershy doesn’t care about murder as long as she doesn’t do it herself is just nonsensical. That’s not pacifism.
Background Pony #621B
@Background Pony #5E74  
Well for one, like I stated, the Sniper does nothing but kill. He has no ability to heal and the few things that makes him able to help his team either means he’s gonna lob Jarate at a burning squadmate, or just nail a spy with that mulch… which the Scout can already do with Mad Milk. Other than that, he’s just shooting at his enemies on the other side. Besides, everyone on the Team insults their opponents when they kill them, not just the medic.
 
And like I stated in my comment,Fluttershy wouldn’t care if she has to kill by proxy if it means keeping her friends and loved ones safe or at least alive. And the reason I got ticked about the Ponies part… Well, re-read my comment. I pointed out that Metal might as well have shoved the Merc’s brains into the ponies heads, since aside from names and key parts of their personalities, they’re leaning too far towards the Mercs’s personalities. Now if they were blank slates, I’d let it off, but since Metal was so serious about changing who’s class is perfect for the Equines, I felt like I had to point it out.
Background Pony #82B0
@Background Pony #35B5  
Hm, them’s a lot of words. I’m just going to skim your comment and pick things up from there if that’s okay with you.
 
The Medic not only capable of killing, but he also insults his enemies when he does. He may not be an ideal fighter, but the fact remains he can kill people. Plus, he heals a bunch of gun-toting mercenaries, so at the very best he is apathetic to the concept of murder.
 
You’re right in saying none of the ponies are killers, and for that reason I’m confused as to why you’re so upset by the Fluttershy thing in particular. You’re basically invalidating your own argument.
Background Pony #621B
You know, you say that Fluttershy is not good for being a medic, and then you give her the role of Sniper.
 
A Class who Insults his opponents as he kills them, Gutting animals (Something Fluttershy would NEVER do and wouldn’t need to do) and throwing piss on people… For a LIVING!
 
Hard to take some of your ideas seriously when you show one thing, (eg. Fluttershy panicking as a Medic, even though her profession is a HEALER.) Then do the same thing with a different class and role that’s EVEN WORSE than the other. (A Sniper. Long Ranged support killer and only that. Read Killer)
 
Fluttershy is better off as a backup medic in my opinion, (Twilight taking top priority) since some of the best medics I’ve seen are those who do their jobs, and not run right out into direct combat as those idiotic Battle-Medics or Pocket someone like an idiot. Some of your comics seem to follow the logic of some rather stupid medics. (Eg. The medigun only being effective at short range, Pocketing ONE person without flashing a heal, or that you have to keep as close to your teammates as possible to act as personal Meat-shield for a rocket, Minigun or sniper bullet.)
 
I know it’s to each his own, and I can agree for some of your ideas, (eg. Pinkie NOT being the Pyro, Twilight not being the Sniper and Applejack stayin’ out of the Engi role.) but last I checked, for some of those episodes involving Fluttershy, the only one where she actually didn’t get involved in was Dragon Quest and only because she was absolutely terrified of adult Dragons.
 
If she were ever stuck in 2Fort, she’d adapt to being a medic pretty quickly, rather than sniper. And besides, regardless of class, you’re still gonna have to enter direct combat at some point.
 
If she’s supposed to stay out of the fight, she shouldn’t be anywhere in 2fort or any of Mann Co’s badlands. She hates intenionally causing harm unless it’s absolutely necessary, which means the Sniper role is out of the question, since all you’re doing as a sniper is killing and throwing piss on your enemies, while as a Medic, you only kill if it’s necessary (Fluttershy) or for fun. Besides, I doubt she’ll complain if the guy she’s healing is doing the killing.
 
Also, I’ve known quite a few people who actually have won Matches as a Sniper class, and not just by standing in one spot and knocking heads off like those one-trick ponies, I mean, actually playing a part in direct combat. Also, recent updates have resulted in weapons that actually can be used in direct combat, like The Classic and the Huntsman. The SMG, if you know how to use it, can also do the same.
 
Which brings us to the biggest problem of all. You’re trying to making several key members of a peace-loving race, Most of which who probably have never seen a day of war, into a crew of cold-hearted killers who’ve been in combat for years. Not days, not months, Years. It’s like you’re just ripping chunks of the Mares and Stallion’s brains that are on the team, tossing down the drain and then shoehorning the brains of the 2Fort Mercs into their skulls, or brainwashing the mercs and then transforming them into their new forms. The reason I type this, is because you’re banking too far onto the TF2 side of things and leaning away from what makes each MLP character unique.
 
You’re focusing too much on TF2 Personalities, not the Equestrians. And the Medic’s CQC Skills? If a Medic whips out their Bonesaw, It’s because they’re either desperate, (eg. Out of ammo, Enemy too close for Syringe Gun to be effective.) or that they’re just sadistic. Fluttershy would fit the former if she were a medic. Also, if it’s the choice between killing the enemy and letting her friends get hurt/killed, She’d pick the latter in a heartbeat.
 
The Elements of Harmony would still work since Fluttershy still expresses kindness. In fact, if the mane 6 and a few others had to join, while still being connected to the EoH, unless they had a history of killing, they’d be undergoing PTSD every time a match ends, which would be good if you were making a story…
 
…Though from what I’ve seen, when you made all those story images involving each member of the MLP TF2 team, The Elements of Harmony might as well be non-existent! I mean, Twilight being an insane doctor with a history of being kicked out of medical schools for horrible experiments? That’s not Harmony, that Chaos!
 
Equestria might as well have been run by Discord rather than the royal sisters in your universe!
Background Pony #82B0
If you ignore the glaring flaws that the artist points out then sure why not?
Background Pony #4DDE
You who have seen mlp, draw their own conclusions, not cling to these false theories, this guy.