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@HighRollerHydra  
no, its patrick

@Nittany Discord  
“hot and humid can do tornadoes or hail”
 
welp, my zone has different thoughts

If you were allowed to commit one crime, what would it be?

@Holofan4life
 
Destroy my enemies on the morning commute.

@team blueplant  
Science says otherwise. Ever see a tornado during a blizzard with it -20 C or F?

@Nittany Discord  
i have seen some tornadoes, and some snow, but never blizzards, my continent dosent have much of these

@team blueplant  
To be honest, it’s not impossible for tornadoes to happen during blizzards as far as I know. It’s just much harder due to the atmospheric conditions. Tornadoes are always formed under thunderstorms, which form more easily during the warmer months. They can and do form during the winter in cold weather (it’s how you get thundersnow), but they never get to the strength of supercells and spring storms. Tornadoes also require a favorable wind setup that does happen in the winter, but it happens in the warm sector of extratropical cyclones; where warm, moist air is and thus where you’re not likely to find snow and blizzards. Snow tends to fall in the cold sectors of extratropical cyclones, north of warm fronts or near the low itself.
 
In short, it’s very hard to get tornadoes and snow at the same time. You can get tornadoes and then snow. In fact, I’ve seen tornado watches and winter storm warnings issued for the same areas at the same time before.

back to my argument of celestia being featless  
I will give celestia credit where credit is due  
it isn’t a combat feat so it’s irrelevant as to who would win in a fight  
but celestia is capable of raising the sun  
that’s an object weighing in at 1,957,699,999,999,999,877,551,489,024 imperial long tons.  
then again, the feat is diminished by the fact that mlp basically throws astronomy out the window, meaning equestria’s sun probably doesn’t weigh NEARLY as much as earth’s sun  
if it did, then it would take a LOT more than 12 unicorns to lift it, seeing as the ultimate unicorn prodigy and literally incarnation of magic itself; twilight struggled to lift an ursa minor, which, for simplicitie’s sake, we’ll say weighs as much as a similarly sized animal: the tyrannosaurus rex, which weighs in at a paltry 7-10 tons  
that puts the combined lifting strength of 12 unicorns at around 120 tons  
we can be generous and give the ursa minor more weight, but the numbers still wouldn’t add up  
if something as large as our sun orbited equestria, it would tear it asunder via tidal forces and gravity anyway  
then again it is entirely possible that they don’t use telekinesis at all, but rather a spell made specifically for moving the sun and the moon, which makes it feasible, which would also explain how celestia can lift the sun, but a CLEARLY more powerful starlight glimmer probably can’t, as it requires a specific talent, or combined unicorn spells  
its a power almost unique to celestia so she definitely has that going for her
 
don’t mind me, just overanylyzing a show about cute ponies rainbows and frienship

@nerfherder  
“but a CLEARLY more powerful starlight glimmer” There’s been several examples in the series showing Starlight as weaker than Twilight. Not once has she shown to have greater power than her.

@nerfherder  
You’re assuming it’s a star like our sun, and not some other kind of thing like a bright shiney cloud, or the “sun” that orbits Pratchet’s Disk World - an object both light enough to orbit a turtle (instead of the other way aroun) and also producing a kind of magical light that doesn’t obey the normal laws of physics.
 
Maybe the planet Equestria is on has been spun out of its birth stellar system, and the “sun” is just a workaround ancient unicorns created to provide the planet with light and warmth.
 
In fact, we don’t even know that whatever it is that Celestia is raising provides any warmth at all.
 
It might just be a magical source of light in orbit around the planet in an geostationary orbit which Celestia swings a little ahead or behind in its orbit every evening and morning. Their sun and moon could actually be 2 dimensional. There’s no reason to bother making something like that a full sphere - it might be so thin and insubstantial, spun entirely of hair-thin magical filaments, that it could only weight a few hundred kilograms.
 
There’s really no reason for it to be a star.
 
But all of this does make me wonder - if Chrysalis’s plan had really worked - in either example, what was she planning to do about raising and lowering the sun? Or wouldn’t she even know that was something that the world depended on Celestia for?

@Zeb  
how do you figure?  
when has twilight done insane cutie mark magic? you know, the thing starlight is famous for?  
“she TRIED it”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv2dd4QqRdU  
when has twilight used magic for super speed? flat out mind control? telekinetic flight?  
for whatever reason, they made glim glam {as far as mlp characters go} EXTREMLY overpowered  
twilight has NEVER been demonstrated to be stronger than her, only EVEN with her… if that  
hell, she even fought alicorn twilight to a standstill, so she is at LEAST even with twilight, and her FEATS lead me to believe she is second only to discord and tirek in terms of power  
just watch “the cutie remark” where she MASTERS the art of time travel, something twilight could only do for a few seconds, mind you starlight finished and even ALTERED the spell to her advantage or “every little thing she does” where she flat out MIND RAPES her friends, or “all bottled up” where the mere BI-PRODUCT of her magic wreaks chaos. or pretty much any episode she’s in she’s doing things that leaves twilight stunned

@Ciaran  
likeI said, I assume equestria’s sun is much smaller  
“  
But all of this does make me wonder – if Chrysalis’s plan had really worked – in either example, what was she planning to do about raising and lowering the sun? Or wouldn’t she even know that was something that the world depended on Celestia for?”  
… that’s an excellent question

I apologize if I came across as rude or condenscending in any way, I really enjoy having this discussion/debate with you, and the exchange of varying opinions intrigues me

@Ciaran
 

 
Something tells me she wouldn’t care about that. this is a pony who eats love but prefers to act like a sterotypical conqueror to ponies she would eventually depend on to feed herself and the hive. as the S6 finale showed, long-term preservation of others, be them changelings or ponies, is not a priority for her.

@nerfherder  
If this topic is really this important to you, maybe you should make a thread devoted to it?
 
Or are you really trying to repurpose this thread into a debate about which pony could beat up which other pony?

@nerfherder  
Twilight not knowing a spell, is not the same as her being weaker than another character.
 
But for examples of when their magic was compared right next to eachother:  
S6 premiere. Starlight and Twilight practicing magic together.
 
Transforming objects: Starlight is panting and her horn glowing red. Twilight isn’t out of breath at all.
 
Laser blasts at eachother: Twilight’s shield is in mid-air. And Starlight’s blast doesn’t budge her an inch.  
Twilight’s blast at Starlight is strong enough to push her back while her shield is gouging deep into the castle floor.
 
Every time we’ve seen their magic directly compared: Twilight’s is stronger. Not once have we seen them both doing a spell where Twilight was weaker at it.

@Mildgyth  
Yeah, it probably never occurred to the writers to even ask the question, because she wasn’t going to win, anyway. But I like your take on it.

@Ciaran  
I THOUGHT about it, but nopony would come to the thread anyway  
I just feel like celestia is not as powerful as everyone says and starlight belongs in a higher tier

@Zeb  
seeing as twilight was incapable of defeating starlight in the cutie remark, it still doesn’t add up…  
actually the more I think about it, the more your perspective sheds new light  
there are things that starlight is better at, she has a more varied spellset  
but twilight has more raw power  
it isn’t that twilight is a slouch, I am just personally more impressed with starlight’s skillset  
maybe that’ll change as the show goes on

@nerfherder  
I think you are mistaking a character who embodies peace and goodness in a children’s show, who would never murder another creature if there was any other option - both as a part of the show’s needs, and as a part of her chatacter design - with weakness.
 
Not being willing to kill or hurt others isn’t “weakness”.
 
And Starlight is able to do some of the things that you keep pointing out because she lacks the ethical restraint to not intentionally and carelessly fuck with magic in ways that might hurt or even kill others.
 
Twilight didn’t abuse the time spell. That does not make her weak or incapable.
 
Starlight did abuse the time spell, and combined it with other magics without concern for anyone’s safety or what damage she might be doing to all of Equestria. That is not “strength”.

@nerfherder  
Remember: Starlight trained for an unknown amount of time specifically to fight Twilight in that scenario. While Twilight was caught completely by surprise.
 
Also: Twilight spreads out her studying. Studying multiple subjects and everything she can. While Starlight was focused on that single goal beforehand: Stop Twilight.

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@Zeb  
so you’re using the prep time argument  
that is……… actually a fair point  
but like I said, I’m still more impressed with starlight’s powerset. advanced time travel, super speed, mental manipulation, she just seems to keep pulling overpowered spells out of her ass  
but I think I underestimated twilight as well