Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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@Zincy  
not if my employees are armed and defended by ex-navy seals, trained in gorilla warfare and one of them being the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. They are nothing to him but just another target.  
Yes, the only outcome is by force.  
THIS will force also for the few big corporations to be in competition and be efficient if they want to survive. And trust me they will quickly find vaccines that are affordable to remain alive, and not ever lose the market to an actual competition.
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@Patachu  
could you even afford that security? The first two sentences alone are giving me navy seals copypasta flashback, which are made to mock the internet tough guys, by the way.
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@Patachu
 
You know, you’d be the first to either die, or be a wage slave in that situation.
 
Or, die while being a wage slave, more likely.
 
And the problem there is, when those goons are tempted by more power and money that the other guys offer, they’ll turn those guns on you. A man beholden to no one but himself is a man who cannot be trusted.
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In your model, Pfeizer would use its wealth and influence to crush or consume your lab, steal away your employees, and drown you in a tide of green and red.
 
None of this will ever happen or will be necessary, I’m sure every building about either medical or high tech corporations are heavily secured with private secu. If you take out the law that declares that keeps monopolies on GMOs or on molecules that cures lives, it will change the world. Some will be better than others sure, but the idea that requirement of intimidation and other will be a thing is not even an issue. Or if it’s the case, let the remaining laws that exist with everything else. Software, automotive, and other tech.
 
 
You know, you’d be the first to either die, or be a wage slave in that situation.
Or, die while being a wage slave, more likely.
 
You will soon learn that you need to work a bit to get things to change, hope one day you’ll find out. So what you call a “wage slave” ignorant fool, is the reason why you can eat, the reason you have this technology and medecine. Yes it will be hard but that’s competition, and this competition is better than being a slave to the unique monopoly.
 
And the problem there is, when those goons are tempted by more power and money that the other guys offer, they’ll turn those guns on you. A man beholden to no one but himself is a man who cannot be trusted.
 
Thanks Celestia we have civilization and laws.
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@Zincy
 
Really? That gets a line drawn? Very well.
 
Allow me to change my point. People who need to talk big are often ones that actually cannot back up their claims with real action, and would likely be the first to trip over the very lines in the sand they drew. Said people use their bravado to hide their real ignorance of the dangerous and complex situations they advocate for.
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@Patachu  
This happens all the time. I briefly worked for a company that did administration for those kinds of companies, and we could not accurately say from day to day how many companies we had as clients because they kept taking each other out or simply buying each other.
 
This has nothing to do with physical security. A private security firm is NOT going save you from any of the problems they are describing.
 
You don’t stop a lawsuit or someone else poaching your talent with guns.
 
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If you do not understand why that comment in this thread on this site is not ok, please feel free to PM me or come to -help.
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@Derpy Whooves
 
I understand why, hence why I changed it to a general statement.
 
That was more a statement on how I believe I’ve said much, much worse before without ever getting action taken. Just kind of amused me that my lighter material got nuked when older, far more venomous attacks I’ve made seemed to fly under the radar.
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People who need to talk big are often ones that actually cannot back up their claims with real action, and would likely be the first to trip over the very lines in the sand they drew.
 
Sure, a Bayer or Pfeizer could buy a less big one, but the idea is to force generics to be as efficient as the others. A receipe cannot be patented, normally, so once other corporations can exploit a drug formula that works, competition will be possible.  
We have 3, 4 corporations. Nothing can prevent anyone or any lab to manufacture such meds anywhere in the world. Go try and control this.  
More, a government should defend and protect individuals as equally as corporations. Equally.  
And let’s make this to apply to a lot of formulas that are vital, and should not or can not be classified as “private property”. You can build a wall on your property, you can draw copyrighted, patented fanart, anyone should be able to make existing things available for nothing.
 
 
EU votes law on the opposite of this, Monsanto patented several natural-existing molecules. You get the idea?
 
Of course it will take other shark kind of people who want to use competitively, not care bears willing to lose a lawsuit or be bought by one big group again. There, is where new laws should be required, to ensure like, one factory won’t be bought by a company that never went there and aims to eliminate competitivity.
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I know Bernie holds some anti-interventionist preferences in foreign affairs, but has he ever commented on what he wants to do with our troops already overseas? He doesn’t want to start new wars but what about the current ones?
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where is this even going, has this really become either ancapistan or peoples glorious republic of socialism? Regulation in principle is neither good or bad, it just is. If you over regulate you will choke out and industry, yes, but without a third party mediator in place. Patents are an odd thing. On the one hand it causes harm since a company can guard their product and charge whatever they like while blocking knockoffs, on the other hand getting drugs made is stupidly expensive (thanks largely to other regulations) so that company needs a reason to onvest in it.
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@Zincy  
People keep using that excuse. “I was able to go a LOT farther over the line before and no one told me to stop!” is becoming the standard “Why won’t you let me break the rules THIS time too?” that we’ve been hearing over and over lately.
 
Maybe you’ve said it in other threads, where it isn’t such a problem or the rules are different. Maybe you said it here and it never got noticed. Maybe you said it in the middle of a larger fracas where staff decided the best way to handle it was to tell EVERYONE to cut it the fuck out, you included, but the individual breaches were not themselves deleted or responded to - just the overall fucking mess.
 
For now, I’m hoping that this can all be handled case-by-case, but if that doesn’t work then we’ll have to handle it as a fucking mess.
 
Please don’t turn this into a fucking mess. I’m getting really tired of people turning things into massive fucking messes because they think it’s funny or because they’re so triggered they can’t behave themselves any more. Especially when the only problem I see here is that we have a whole lot of person A doesn’t like person B and they think that gives them the right to personally attack them or call them names like this is some sort of grade school playground where screaming at each other is “debate” or “just me expressing my opinion”.
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@Derpy Whooves
 
Fair enough, fair enough, no need to to make an example out of me. This is my first deleted post in many months, and an excuse I have never once used before. I hardly consider myself a habitual offender of this, just noticed it and thought it strange.
 
I slipped up, and I will admit that. This is not a hill I intend to die on, nor do I wish to sit on the cross today. Twas just an observation.
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I know Bernie holds some anti-interventionist preferences in foreign affairs, but has he ever commented on what he wants to do with our troops already overseas? He doesn’t want to start new wars but what about the current ones?
 
He’s been pretty consistent about that I think. If I may be so bold as to summarize, it seems to pretty consistently be expeditious withdrawal, but increased engagement and pressure for those countries to become stabilized and to become well behaved members of the globe.
 
Bernie Sanders lays out a new foreign policy vision to end America’s endless wars
 
Bernie Sanders: A Responsible, Comprehensive Foreign Policy
 
CFR Interviews Bernie Sanders on twelve critical foreign policy issues
 
@Zincy  
Thank you. Sorry for making an example of you. It’s been a hell of a couple of weeks and maybe I just need to take a break.
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Again, the issue is Democrats and republicans. Stop singling out one party when it’s both. Sanders wants to change up as a non-corporatist liberal. Not corporate friendly neolibs. When even Democrats hate him you know he’s actually a good change.  
And the issue is both Democrats and Republicans want less regulation and are given fat wads of cash to let Tmobile merge with Sprint, or for Private healthcare insurers to swallow small ones. Sanders is the only way we’re going to fix it. Not the Status Quo Neolibs and Spineless GOP members.
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The newly formed social-media army has been tasked with spending 20 to 30 hours a week on text messages, phone calls, and social-media posts geared toward leveraging their personal networks to secure Bloomberg’s victory in California’s Democratic primary.
One was a Sen. Bernie Sanders supporter, the newspaper reported, who followed up one pro-Bloomberg text message to a friend with, “Please disregard, vote Bernie or Warren.”
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Like I told you on the GamerGate discussion, you pay attention to a shitfest of comments between nazis, pro-palestinian SJWs an far-left guys shitting at eachother.  
Why do you even think should even be worrying?  
Explain your point and goal. Should we all fear these retards? Nope.  
Should I fear people of my family getting attacked by a crazy muslim determined to stab some jews or gays or apostates? Definitely.
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And like I answered, people should be aware the pro-nazis and racists exist, they aren’t some boogeyman to be handwaved away with “Hitler died 70 years ago, nazis aren’t real~”.
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