Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

@HJSDGCE, God’s Wrath  
Having children only proves that he knows how not to use a condom.

My father served in the military after high school. And while he wouldn’t recommend it to me or my brother, it was an experience that helped shape him into a more understanding and culturally rounded man

Honestly, I believe in compulsory civil service. Either military, community, economic, or cultural.
 
Pull your weight, do your part.

@HJSDGCE, God’s Wrath  
One of his military operations in Yemen killed a child not even older than 10
 
Just because you are a parent doesn’t mean you care for other parents or their children
 
Reminds of a scene in breaking bad where Walter pretended to care for a dead child

@Zincy  
It would help people, but nowadays I don’t think the draft will help us win wars now

@Zincy  
I’m not killing children of other countries due to some misguided sense of nationalism or whatever

@Commune  

 
That’s not really a good example since I wouldn’t care that much if I accidentally killed someone at the other side of the planet because I wanted to not recycle.

@fobone
 
Nah, he was unfit for service because he “had a bad hip” or somecrap.
 
A disability he no doubt had zero problem taking advantage, mind.

@HJSDGCE, God’s Wrath  

 
Just because you have children doesn’t mean you love them. I’m not here to psychoanalyze Trump too much, but given how he bragged about his daughter being hot, I’d wager that at best he sees them as proxies for his own status.

@Dustcan  
Oh just like he had “prefect health” not too long ago?  
Yeah, I’m real sure his “bad hip” was exactly why he didn’t go.

@Commune
 
Because of course that’s where your vapid sense of self righteousness leads you.
 
Notice I said civil service. Civil service could be cleaning up waterways, painting artwork for beautification, tending to the poor, disaster relief, advocacy work.
 
Not that all the military does is kill you misguided malcontent. A vast majority of military jobs are non-combat. Systems, support, medical, technical, disaster relief (corp of eng, medical ships), science and research, actual defense, vet affairs, development, etc.

@Dustcan  
Bone spurs in his talus bone, iirc. Though he could somehow not recall which foot was affected…

@Zincy  
“For one guy on the field, you need ten in logistics,”, or so I’ve heard.

@Zincy  
Civil service I wouldn’t mind
 
But military still requires you to fight
 
There’s also the shocking rates of rape and sexual assault in the military both within in and against civilians(lots of horror stories with UN “peacekeepers”) so yeah there’s that

@Zincy  

in4 “All in the service of spreading and defending imperialist capital interests”.

@Commune
 
So what? Throw down all arms? Disband our military? Tell the troops to go pick flowers?
 
Russia would sure love that.
 
Like it or not, even your utopia would require an army. The world is not safe, and will not be for some time.
 
I don’t believe we should intervene in every nation, and start wars willy nilly, but we should keep a strong defense.
 
Walk softly, and carry a big stick.

@fobone
 
Pretty much.
 
Officially he was physically unfit for service and therefore not a real draft dodger.
 
Also officially, he has a long history of lying about his health records on top of many instances of being a straight up conman or shyster and made himself yuge at the expense of anyone else.
 
The two are unrelated, I’m sure.

Warhawk conservative fuckwits want to send our boys and girls to die for stupid causes. Bleeding heart peace-niks want to sing folk songs and pick flowers while the barbarians storm the gates.
 
Two sides of the same vapid, idiotic coin.

@Zincy  
The main underlying problem with the military isn’t that they’re violent, it’s that they exist to do the bidding of the bourgeois. You’re correct that a socialist revolution would need self defense, see the CNT or Rojava, but the difference is is that there use of violence is to defend the interest of the community at large, unlike the United States military which is there to protect the ruling class.
 
Regarding Russia, yeah, Putin probably would like that, but what makes the US worth supporting over Russia? America is the current superpower of the world, Russia is trying to become one. There’s nothing morally superior about either Russia or the United States, just two imperial powers competing against one another.

@Hypnosryan
 
From a meta stand-point, you have a point. However, the details get a little hazier when you look at Russia’s record of human rights abuses.
 
America has a long history of it as well, but Russia’s are still on going and quite nasty. Severe curbs to the press, eraser of the LBGTQ community in the public eye, and the fact that Putin is a dictator in everything but name whose rivals have a habit of disappearing or dying.
 
Just to name a few of their abuses
 
Russia also puts us to shame with environmental damage. Deforestation and cheaply made power plants are an absolute nightmare.

@Hypnosryan  
inafter “All in the service of spreading and defending imperialist capital interests”.
 

 

Go be openly gay in Russia, see how quickly you change your mind. For all the US’ faults, it does ever so slowly advance every so often.

@Ainz Ooal Gown  

 
For someone who claims to pick “Reals over feels”, you certainly seem hurt by a suggestion.

@Violet Rose in The Rain
 
People will claim to be oh so logical until they are inevitably reminded that humans are, first and foremost, an emotion driven species.

Timothy McVeigh was onto something.
 
Unfortunately “inevitable collateral damage” doesn’t defend his hypocrisy to me.

But I wouldn’t be so surprised. Considering the fact that you called Background Human (Or someone else, I can’t remember) someone who sides with robbers just because they called for some measure of gun control just shows how far you’ll reach to try and make a point.