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Northern
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It’s not a racist joke. The joke isn’t at the expense of the victim, the joke is at the expense of pinkie and aryanne because the joke is that they’re horrible people for doing this. The joke isn’t ‘haha, look at the dead griffon’, there’s no humor in that to basically anyone in the fandom. To the creator of the image, to the people who enjoyed it that image is a satirical piss-take on how shitty this makes pinkie and Aryanne, which is the whole point of the joke of Aryanne’s character. She’s not supposed to be glorified for her actions, her actions are hilarious because they make her a terrible person.
 
A similar example would be Bloo, from Foster’s Home. He’s an asshole. His entire character is an asshole, but it’s endearing to the audience because it’s funny and a contrast with the nice environment around him. THAT is the appeal of Aryanne and the purpose of the image in question.
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If this were a Foster’s Home For Imaginary Friends booru and someone uploaded an image of Bloo wearing Nazi regalia and dabbing while murdering Wilt in a gas chamber we would delete that image, too. Just because it was meant ironically or you find it funny doesn’t mean we have to host it.
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Apologies for the extended lock, but such has to be done when threads tend to deviate well from their purpose and we don’t have moderator availability to deal with them.  
I’m gonna state clearly right now that further arguments trying to use comedy as an excuse to dispel Rule 0 will not be tolerated, as it’s a huge tangent that can’t really go anywhere (nothing in the rule talks about a comedy excuse).
 
The Titanic Milky Way image with censored labels is likely going to stay deleted, but do note all the edits that have removed/replaced Milky Way are allowed as of now.
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And with that the site has officially declared the concepts of parody and satire using dark themes disallowed. I understand and won’t argue that point here anymore. Just be sure you understand what you have just done, as it is a very, very deep step into ideologically puritanical censorship.
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@Princess Luna
 
The Titanic Milky Way image with censored labels is likely going to stay deleted, but do note all the edits that have removed/replaced Milky Way are allowed as of now.
 
Why? I thought the main problem was Asociateing milky with ponybooru and the message that derpibooru is dead, so deletion of the boru names takes care of both of those things.
 
Beside that: “likely”? So is it going to stay deleted or not?
 
And does that mean that the oc owners can take down pictures they dont like that use their ocs?
 
I’m gonna state clearly right now that further arguments trying to use comedy as an excuse to dispel Rule 0 will not be tolerated, as it’s a huge tangent that can’t really go anywhere (nothing in the rule talks about a comedy excuse).
 
No one wants to dispell rule 0 with comedy, we want(or at least i want) to know what the oficial enforcement is supposed to look like. Are all racist jokes banned? Does it mean that pictures like >>1048884 (gassing ponies with diferent color) are going to be deleted?
 
 
@Princess Luna
 
It matters, but only for determining whether something promotes racism; whether it provokes certain emotional reactions on top of that is irrelevant (at least on that bulletpoint).
 
The bulletpoint states:
 
“Do not post content whose only apparent purpose is inciting anger, arguments, or controversy.”
 
So if picture does incite emotions but inciteing emotions is not the only purpose of that picture than the picture should be allowed. Filters exist for that reason and we can make special tag for racist/controvertial humor so people will be able to easy filter it
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@CHurricane  
No no, filters are to be used only for some sort of unspecified reason that will only be determined when deemed necessary.  
Or convenient for arguments sake. (If you don’t like X, just filter it, but we will know if you did.)
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@CHurricane  
It can be pretty much figured out what the liferaft represents, even without labels, is the issue.  
And no, OC owners can’t get things taken down; the image has to in some way look like it’s slandering/harassing someone, which is not even dependent on whether an OC owner reports it.  
You’re talking about a different bulletpoint than the one that covers racism; the bulletpoint about bait of course cares about whether something’s a joke, but the one about racism does not.
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@Background Pony #555C  
It was explained.  
OC owner being associated with a site they very much aren’t fond of, with their OC very prominent and looking directly at the viewer, in an image about leaving Derpibooru for such site.
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@Princess Luna
 
It can be pretty much figured out what the liferaft represents, even without labels, is the issue.
 
How exactly? There is no site names on that picture and aryanne is not tied to any other booru. There is no way to say that censored picture is about derpibooru being dead or any other booru.
 
And no, OC owners can’t get things taken down; the image has to in some way look like it’s slandering/harassing someone
 
Censored titanic picture is not slandering/harrasing anyone and saying that even oryginall does is a big stretch.( it was suposed to be a borderline case if i remember correctly)
 
You’re talking about a different bulletpoint than the one that covers racism; the bulletpoint about bait of course cares about whether something’s a joke, but the one about racism does not.
 
So does that mean that all racist jokes are now banned? Is >>1048884 going to be deleted then?
 
 
@Princess Luna
 
It was explained.
OC owner being associated with a site they very much aren’t fond of, with their OC very prominent and looking directly at the viewer, in an image about leaving Derpibooru for such site.
 
Censored version does solve both the problem with Asociateing milky with ponybooru and the problem with messeage that it is derpibooru that they are leaving.
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@Princess Luna
 
OC owner being associated with a site they very much aren’t fond of,
 
So if the oc owner does say that he is “not fond of” use of their oc that associates them with a site, organization or overall messeage of the picture then they can request a takedown of that picture?
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@Princess Luna
How is that any different from allowing oc creators the right to delete art of their oc they find objectionable?
 
This
 
Where does the deletion border lies? Is associateing an oc (owned by anti blm person with blm is now a reason for deletion? Is drawing oc(owned by person that hates lgbt) that holds a pride flag now a reason for deletion?
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@Princess Luna
 
Where does the line stop with reasons for potential deletions? Interspecies(interracial) sex? With oc whose owner is racial purist? Oc(owner hates capitalism and is vegan) sitting in a fast food restaurant(like mcdonalds) and eating a hamburger?
 
The “how closely the OC tends to be tied to its creator” part is place for abuse because owner just have to tell you that he is useing his oc as his ponysona and then every picture with that oc is suddenly very personal.
 
And what about my questions in this post:
 
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@CHurricane  
The rule of thumb is that OC “owners” can’t supersede artist rights and ask for art to be taken down, that goes against rule 1.
 
There are some fringe cases however: when an OC is used as a representation of the “owner” to attack them in one form of another, the image will be deleted. But this is more of a rule #0 issue than it is a case of an OC “owner” being able to request a takedown. And yeah, it does happen, though it is fairly rare. The deletion of the Milky Way version is something of a variant for this use-case: various extenuating circumstances put together pushed it over the line.
 
But this will remain an exception, and not a precedent to be followed.
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“When an oc is used as a representation to attack the “Owner”” Your oc being associated with something you’re against would be enough to get an image removed? So an oc artist offended by people making explicit art of his oc will all explicit art of his oc removed because he’s known be to be against it?
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