It's been over a month... why is this still going on?
Northern 
I refuse to bend
@Grave_Mind
Do yourself a favor. Take a break, please. This is an ugly scenario.
Do yourself a favor. Take a break, please. This is an ugly scenario.
Background Pony #A81A
welcome to reality is a pain in the ass
aperture_tech 
lol
@Princess Luna
Lol, why do furries always believe this? I’ve seen far more people quit ponies after becoming anime fans/just leaving. Either that or just jumping to the next fad in terms of some high profile people leaving.
Lol, why do furries always believe this? I’ve seen far more people quit ponies after becoming anime fans/just leaving. Either that or just jumping to the next fad in terms of some high profile people leaving.
Flagrus
Manet immutabile fatum
@Grave_Mind
I don’t know what to tell you. You were the one starting this very thread. If you want to distance yourself from this whole Dumpster fire (which is perfectly understandable), just filter everything and maybe don’t start threads in which you call out people who voice their opinion.
I don’t know what to tell you. You were the one starting this very thread. If you want to distance yourself from this whole Dumpster fire (which is perfectly understandable), just filter everything and maybe don’t start threads in which you call out people who voice their opinion.
Frosku 
Vox Exercitus
@Grave_Mind
Pointless insults aside, I don’t expect the battle between freedom and tyranny to end any time soon, we’ve been waging it for about the last 10,000 years. It’s just unfortunate that pony got caught in the crossfire. At this point, I don’t expect the compromise to prevent future pressures on the site to “pick a side” in political arguments, only a flat-out refusal to do so next time might have a chance.
@aperture_tech
I don’t remember many high-profile people leaving for furry, I do remember a fair few going for FNAF or Undertale.
Pointless insults aside, I don’t expect the battle between freedom and tyranny to end any time soon, we’ve been waging it for about the last 10,000 years. It’s just unfortunate that pony got caught in the crossfire. At this point, I don’t expect the compromise to prevent future pressures on the site to “pick a side” in political arguments, only a flat-out refusal to do so next time might have a chance.
@aperture_tech
I don’t remember many high-profile people leaving for furry, I do remember a fair few going for FNAF or Undertale.
Crows 
It’s funny to me that you are disturbed by Red Skull arguing that being tolerant of the intolerant is destroying the country. Isn’t that LITERALLY what you are arugeing for? That being tolerant requires being intolerant of the intolerant?
Isn’t that the whole argument for censoring ‘nazis’?
Seriously, try to take even half a step back and look.
I saw the exact same argument that the friggin Red Skull was making.
and that genuinely disturbed me.
It’s funny to me that you are disturbed by Red Skull arguing that being tolerant of the intolerant is destroying the country. Isn’t that LITERALLY what you are arugeing for? That being tolerant requires being intolerant of the intolerant?
Isn’t that the whole argument for censoring ‘nazis’?
Seriously, try to take even half a step back and look.
Background Pony #D7D2
@aperture_tech
I still can’t believe Killryde left us for MONSTER HIGH of all things.
I still can’t believe Killryde left us for MONSTER HIGH of all things.
🐴 
IRL 🎠 stallion
@Northern
By quietly ban, I do not mean to ban and then lie about it. I mean ban disruptive users and move on with things, rather than make public statements.
The reasons why I’m no longer a fan of “just let people argue and the best idea win” as a general solution are:
By quietly ban, I do not mean to ban and then lie about it. I mean ban disruptive users and move on with things, rather than make public statements.
The reasons why I’m no longer a fan of “just let people argue and the best idea win” as a general solution are:
- It’s (at least on this site) not contained to a single honeypot thread. Instead, it’s dozens of duplicative parallel arguments with different victors depending on who happened to show up in the thread, so there never can be a side who wins through better reasoning.
- Superior argumentation rhetoric has nothing at all to do with any underlying truth. Debate skills and access to facts of greater correctness have no correlation. We are not officers of the court sworn to uphold a search for truth nor (usually) disinterested third-parties with easily-changed opinions.
- Repeated arguments, regardless of whether they are explicitly political in nature, should be viewed as unintentional spam or DDoS attacks. They attract disproportionate attention and distract from friendlier discussion. There is no need to be Twitter.
My gut feelings are closer to extreme free speech and filters for art and tight moderation for comments (image macros and the like get treated as comments). I like Fimfiction’s solution of disabling comments and scoring on flamebait.
Skoon 
Too tired to care
Grave, dude, really; making new threads about it is only going to prolong the topic.
That and calling us all “fucking clowns” and inserting yourself at every turn. Bad tactics, dude.
That and calling us all “fucking clowns” and inserting yourself at every turn. Bad tactics, dude.
aperture_tech
lol
@Frosku
That’s why I mentioned the next fad, because a lot of the people who went to FNAF ended up going ship to undertale shortly after.
That’s why I mentioned the next fad, because a lot of the people who went to FNAF ended up going ship to undertale shortly after.
Northern
I refuse to bend
@aperture_tech
Undertale is a trap as clingy as this one, perhaps more. The Undertale community is massively active at all times of day still, basically everywhere it still exists. I would know, I’ve got essentially dual citizenship between this fandom and that one, lol.
Undertale is a trap as clingy as this one, perhaps more. The Undertale community is massively active at all times of day still, basically everywhere it still exists. I would know, I’ve got essentially dual citizenship between this fandom and that one, lol.
Background Pony #CB3F
@Grave_Mind
Look on the bright side: with the loss of Patreon, the whole issue will be over sooner rather than later. You’ll get your wish.
Look on the bright side: with the loss of Patreon, the whole issue will be over sooner rather than later. You’ll get your wish.
aperture_tech
lol
@Northern
I’m not claiming the undertale fandom in itself is simply a fad, just saying that there are people who just hop fandoms to whatever is popular. I’m sure a lot of those hoppers are now doing Baldi’s basics or whatever the kids are all about today. Not trying to talk shit on other fandoms really, just more talking about bandwagoning to where the largest audience is.
I’m not claiming the undertale fandom in itself is simply a fad, just saying that there are people who just hop fandoms to whatever is popular. I’m sure a lot of those hoppers are now doing Baldi’s basics or whatever the kids are all about today. Not trying to talk shit on other fandoms really, just more talking about bandwagoning to where the largest audience is.
Northern
I refuse to bend
@aperture_tech
I know, I was just adding information, not trying to put words in your mouth.
I know, I was just adding information, not trying to put words in your mouth.
cdpaliden 
@Grave_Mind
I ain’t even a part of this argument, and I’m going to tell you no and encourage Crows.
I ain’t even a part of this argument, and I’m going to tell you no and encourage Crows.
Background Pony #DA7B
@Shimauma
Yet it is more effective to discredit the intolerance than silencing it. If you silence that intolerance,you will be opening the pathway to expand what can be seen as intolerant.
Just because you have to let everyone getting a voice doesn’t mean that you support that standpoint.
You fall under the fallacy that freedom of speech implies a weaponized medium for the fascists to become a bigger force when that’s not true.
Freedom of speech implies: responsibility, huge amounts of knowledge and overcoming constantly the argument of your opponent, no matter what political standpoint delivered.
Otherwise, everyone would be become a fanatical of looking for the most tolerant speech by eliminating the intolerants. You defeat an intolerant with more speech because if you don’t do that, you will eventually become blind withing your thoughts and you won’t understand where those thought comes from in the first. It will lead to confusion,then fear and finally, hate. People hate freedom because it implies a challenge and getting out of the comfort zone quite a few times.
The world always offers obstacles and it forces you to be wiser than the challenge itself.
Perhaps, some of those who desire censorship might not have been educated nor prepared enough in order to face the harsh reality. The world doesn’t work in the way that you want it to be. You won’t eliminate the fascists by simply censoring them. You’ve got to remember where they came up with those thoughts and after letting them to express themselves,then you come up with better arguments than the ones that they have (it requires way more effort to adapt this strategy though).
Censorship leads to authoritarian regimes sooner or later.
Yet it is more effective to discredit the intolerance than silencing it. If you silence that intolerance,you will be opening the pathway to expand what can be seen as intolerant.
Just because you have to let everyone getting a voice doesn’t mean that you support that standpoint.
You fall under the fallacy that freedom of speech implies a weaponized medium for the fascists to become a bigger force when that’s not true.
Freedom of speech implies: responsibility, huge amounts of knowledge and overcoming constantly the argument of your opponent, no matter what political standpoint delivered.
Otherwise, everyone would be become a fanatical of looking for the most tolerant speech by eliminating the intolerants. You defeat an intolerant with more speech because if you don’t do that, you will eventually become blind withing your thoughts and you won’t understand where those thought comes from in the first. It will lead to confusion,then fear and finally, hate. People hate freedom because it implies a challenge and getting out of the comfort zone quite a few times.
The world always offers obstacles and it forces you to be wiser than the challenge itself.
Perhaps, some of those who desire censorship might not have been educated nor prepared enough in order to face the harsh reality. The world doesn’t work in the way that you want it to be. You won’t eliminate the fascists by simply censoring them. You’ve got to remember where they came up with those thoughts and after letting them to express themselves,then you come up with better arguments than the ones that they have (it requires way more effort to adapt this strategy though).
Censorship leads to authoritarian regimes sooner or later.
Grave_Mind 
Dredgen
@cdpaliden
Are you fucking serious? This conversation is going to fucking derail in minutes! Not to mention it’s exactly the kind of shit I was talking about the OP for this fucking thread! Any requests for this to stop are ignored just so both sides can step all over us and use us as fucking soapboxes for their shitty debates!
Are you fucking serious? This conversation is going to fucking derail in minutes! Not to mention it’s exactly the kind of shit I was talking about the OP for this fucking thread! Any requests for this to stop are ignored just so both sides can step all over us and use us as fucking soapboxes for their shitty debates!
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