Rule #0 Policy Refinement Feedback Thread
Background Pony #F329
@Background Pony #5A71
Bruh, we know that and are talking about it, i even brought up the aryanne porn pic that was deemed “Okay” and the fact zebradom is a tag that exists, you’re just spamming that post for no reason and giving them reason to lock the thread.
Bruh, we know that and are talking about it, i even brought up the aryanne porn pic that was deemed “Okay” and the fact zebradom is a tag that exists, you’re just spamming that post for no reason and giving them reason to lock the thread.
CHurricane 
I think that question of rape was already mentioned in this discussion(if i remember correctyly) and mods might think that it is just a inproductive repeating(i am guessing)
But if you want to get reasoning directly from them then in my opinion you should try to talk to them/appeal deletion on their discord channlel.
Devil's Advocate
ok, then can you please explain to me how pointing out that Rule#0 applies to lots of rape and fetish stuff is offtopic or bait or not constructive? Because if you can’t, then tell the mods that they should stop deleting legit OnTopic comments, because doing that is not helping with the discussion.That is everything this is about.
As soon as mods stop deleting OnTopic discussions or at least explain their reasoning, you can discuss.
I think that question of rape was already mentioned in this discussion(if i remember correctyly) and mods might think that it is just a inproductive repeating(i am guessing)
But if you want to get reasoning directly from them then in my opinion you should try to talk to them/appeal deletion on their discord channlel.
Background Pony #5A71
Deletion reason: Rule #6
Princess Luna 
Senior Moderator
Site Developer
Tag Czar
@Background Pony #5C8B
“Others” is supposed to specify it’s about real people, not fictional.
@Background Pony #5C8B
Yes, this is a big part of the newest drafts, just kind of got missed by people with all the screaming about Poll 4.
@CHurricane
The bulletpoint about discrimination doesn’t care about fictionality, standins to promote racism are bad.
“Others” is supposed to specify it’s about real people, not fictional.
@Background Pony #5C8B
Yes, this is a big part of the newest drafts, just kind of got missed by people with all the screaming about Poll 4.
@CHurricane
The bulletpoint about discrimination doesn’t care about fictionality, standins to promote racism are bad.
Boxless
stop using Derpi lmao
@Princess Luna
So on that final note, you gonna purge all the Zebra Supremacy art, or is it okay when it’s a BLACKED standin?
So on that final note, you gonna purge all the Zebra Supremacy art, or is it okay when it’s a BLACKED standin?
CHurricane
Devil's Advocate
@Archonix
Sorry just realized and i wanted to edit my reply( but it was deleted) but i think one thing i said there is important:
The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
Sorry just realized and i wanted to edit my reply( but it was deleted) but i think one thing i said there is important:
The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
- H.L. Mecken
This is my resoning for defending stupid things(like racism in art) that i do not agree with. And to both sides of arguments: going into discussion thinking that your oponent is the worst person posible is unproductive.
Princess Luna
Senior Moderator
Site Developer
Tag Czar
@Boxless
It’s possible some of it will be deleted, for sure. It really depends on whether the images seem to actually be pushing racism or not.
It’s possible some of it will be deleted, for sure. It really depends on whether the images seem to actually be pushing racism or not.
Boxless
stop using Derpi lmao
@Princess Luna
That’s basically the point of the whole fetish, but i’ll hold you to your word.
This is your guys’ last chance to not fuck up, if you’re gonna implement changes you’d best be ready to purge some rather popular works in your quest to cull everything you don’t like. Collateral is unavoidable if you are going to maintain trust. (what little you have, anyways, lmao)
That’s basically the point of the whole fetish, but i’ll hold you to your word.
This is your guys’ last chance to not fuck up, if you’re gonna implement changes you’d best be ready to purge some rather popular works in your quest to cull everything you don’t like. Collateral is unavoidable if you are going to maintain trust. (what little you have, anyways, lmao)
CHurricane
Devil's Advocate
@Princess Luna
The problem with some things that “seem” as crossing the line is that it requires personal(subjective) interpretation and many people fear that some staff members would not be able to hold their political bias back when deciding.
The problem with some things that “seem” as crossing the line is that it requires personal(subjective) interpretation and many people fear that some staff members would not be able to hold their political bias back when deciding.
Background Pony #F329
Discarding how ludicrous that statement is when we’re talking about one species dominating another.
What about this?
https://derpibooru.org/tags/zebra+supremacy
Pretty damn clear cut.
It really depends on whether the images seem to actually be pushing racism or not.
Discarding how ludicrous that statement is when we’re talking about one species dominating another.
What about this?
https://derpibooru.org/tags/zebra+supremacy
Pretty damn clear cut.
Background Pony #B2FF
What about standins to promote murder, as in the Chrysalis drawing voted not to be against Rule 0 on the fourth poll?
standins to promote racism are bad.
What about standins to promote murder, as in the Chrysalis drawing voted not to be against Rule 0 on the fourth poll?
Background Pony #5A71
I am still for defining rule #0 as an equivalent to rule #5.
It is stated two times in rule #5 that the anti-pedo rule just applies if its human like. If its not human or human like, everything goes.
What would be the problem with copy-pasting from #5 to #0?
What makes legal racism so much worse than illegal child fucking?
It is stated two times in rule #5 that the anti-pedo rule just applies if its human like. If its not human or human like, everything goes.
What would be the problem with copy-pasting from #5 to #0?
What makes legal racism so much worse than illegal child fucking?
Rene_Z 
@Background Pony #F329
There’s still this thing that depicting racism does not mean supporting racism. Only images that support racism irl should be deleted.
There’s still this thing that depicting racism does not mean supporting racism. Only images that support racism irl should be deleted.
Lisboeta
@Princess Luna
It starts kinda sensible that “others” in this context could be only real people… and then you’ll give the mods power to decide that this is a stand-in for real persons.
All your “WIP” end up being overbroad, getting over-broader. They would make a good chunk of art (mostly porn) that almost nobody wants to see deleted. Of course that really wouldn’t happen because mods would say “nuh-uh, it doesn’t count” but that goes back to the relying on the mods opinions (which is fraught with risk at any time but given how politicized current situation ended up being it’s worse).
It starts kinda sensible that “others” in this context could be only real people… and then you’ll give the mods power to decide that this is a stand-in for real persons.
All your “WIP” end up being overbroad, getting over-broader. They would make a good chunk of art (mostly porn) that almost nobody wants to see deleted. Of course that really wouldn’t happen because mods would say “nuh-uh, it doesn’t count” but that goes back to the relying on the mods opinions (which is fraught with risk at any time but given how politicized current situation ended up being it’s worse).
CHurricane
The problems lies in interpretation what is and what is not supporting racism.
Devil's Advocate
@Background Pony #F329
There’s still this thing that depicting racism does not mean supporting racism. Only images that support racism irl should be deleted.
The problems lies in interpretation what is and what is not supporting racism.
Background Pony #5C8B
@Princess Luna
So to paraphrase, if someone’s fetish is being dominated and discriminated (including racism) during sex, the fetish arts catered for those people will NOT be allowed? Correct?
Or will it depend on specific circumsntances?
(I gotta clarify to other users here, I’m not personally into those fetishes, so there’s no personal interest here in defending them. It’s just an objective interest.)
So to paraphrase, if someone’s fetish is being dominated and discriminated (including racism) during sex, the fetish arts catered for those people will NOT be allowed? Correct?
Or will it depend on specific circumsntances?
(I gotta clarify to other users here, I’m not personally into those fetishes, so there’s no personal interest here in defending them. It’s just an objective interest.)
Background Pony #5A71
By the way i find it interesting that rule #0 is highlighted and marked with bold letters as This is the most important rule.
When i run a website, i usually rate the Don’t do shit that’s illegal and don’t bring me into legal trouble! rule much more important than everything else.
Rule #0 is some mix between Community Guideline and rules.
Maybe you would have an easier job splitting that.
Rules should be absolut and it should be obvious by their wording how they apply and it should be hard to misunderstand them. And Community Guidelines could give a little bit more freedom of interpretation (but just a tiny bit, not so much that mods can go rampant). Also Guidelines can apply on a “if nobody complains, no reason to intervene” basis, as long as it’s about individual cases.
Just my personal opinion about those rules in general.
When i run a website, i usually rate the Don’t do shit that’s illegal and don’t bring me into legal trouble! rule much more important than everything else.
Rule #0 is some mix between Community Guideline and rules.
Maybe you would have an easier job splitting that.
Rules should be absolut and it should be obvious by their wording how they apply and it should be hard to misunderstand them. And Community Guidelines could give a little bit more freedom of interpretation (but just a tiny bit, not so much that mods can go rampant). Also Guidelines can apply on a “if nobody complains, no reason to intervene” basis, as long as it’s about individual cases.
Just my personal opinion about those rules in general.
Background Pony #5C8B
@Background Pony #F329
I really think that simple domination can happen regardless of species or races, just because one person/creature just happens to be like being a dom, and other person/creature likes being a sub, in their BDSM relationship.
In other words, regular dom/sub arts should NOT be touched by Rule 0, simply because there’s some Zebro dominating a pony. It has nothing to do by itself with our real world human races!
I really think that simple domination can happen regardless of species or races, just because one person/creature just happens to be like being a dom, and other person/creature likes being a sub, in their BDSM relationship.
In other words, regular dom/sub arts should NOT be touched by Rule 0, simply because there’s some Zebro dominating a pony. It has nothing to do by itself with our real world human races!
Boxless
stop using Derpi lmao
@Background Pony #5C8B
Correct. However, the entire point of Zebra Supremacy (and other species, on that note) is racially-charged domination.
Correct. However, the entire point of Zebra Supremacy (and other species, on that note) is racially-charged domination.
Background Pony #5A71
the BLACKED imitations?
Those have as much to do with real world human races as some Aryanne fetish pic has.
Those have as much to do with real world human races as some Aryanne fetish pic has.
Background Pony #F329
Luna has made the point that such a distinction doesn’t matter.
They proved they thought this with the explanation for why the Aryanne porn picture was banned in the last poll, the whole “Breed a master race” thing.
So if they want to be consistent, every zebradom / zebra supremecy tagged image should also get the same treatment.
@Background Pony #5C8B
Boxless has the point that the entire kink is being racist so i’ll address the other bit.
Boxless has the point that the entire kink is being racist so i’ll address the other bit.
It has nothing to do by itself with our real world human races!
Luna has made the point that such a distinction doesn’t matter.
The bulletpoint about discrimination doesn’t care about fictionality, standins to promote racism are bad.
They proved they thought this with the explanation for why the Aryanne porn picture was banned in the last poll, the whole “Breed a master race” thing.
So if they want to be consistent, every zebradom / zebra supremecy tagged image should also get the same treatment.
Boxless
stop using Derpi lmao
@Background Pony #5A71
And yet one is getting tossed, thus the other logically should go due to being at-or-closer-than.
It won’t happen, of course, but logically.
@Background Pony #F329
Zebradom is too broad and is literally used in many cases (that aren’t mutually tagged with zebra supremacy) for ‘Zebra that is in dominant position’.
And yet one is getting tossed, thus the other logically should go due to being at-or-closer-than.
It won’t happen, of course, but logically.
@Background Pony #F329
Zebradom is too broad and is literally used in many cases (that aren’t mutually tagged with zebra supremacy) for ‘Zebra that is in dominant position’.
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