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Site and Policy » I have a compromise re: no more downvoting from thumbnails: » Post 34

huebris

Yes I was talking about complex filtering, for those situations where I'd want the score to dictate different actions. I normally filter 'meme' but what if everyone thought it was hilarious? That sort of thing.

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barbeque
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice
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Thread Starter - Tag alias request thread
Artist -
Bronze Bit -
A Perfectly Normal Pony - <barbeque> I'm just going to break some javascript brb
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - 10+ uploads with over 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)
Fine Arts - Two hundred uploads with a score of over a hundred (Safe/Suggestive)

@huebris @WingbeatPony
Uhm it's in Settings
The first item, even. But it's global across all images, not per tag (complex filtering is… complex)

On my alt account I've been using a Minumum Score of -4 since forever. Basically hidden tags keep out the worst of the stuff, and I let score filtering do the rest (untagged shitty memes etc)
It is incidentally the reason people need to lern2hide because for some artists I have to disable that threshold (read: I browse them from this account) because for some reason they attract downvotes for absolutely no reason. Like "ohey it's this artist I have spoilered INSTANT DOWNVOTE". Comments are also literally divided between "ogod not this shit again" and people that actually like the art, that one little detail, etc.

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barbeque
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice
Magnificent Metadata Maniac - #1 Assistant
Thread Starter - Tag alias request thread
Artist -
Bronze Bit -
A Perfectly Normal Pony - <barbeque> I'm just going to break some javascript brb
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - 10+ uploads with over 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)
Fine Arts - Two hundred uploads with a score of over a hundred (Safe/Suggestive)

@huebris @WingbeatPony
Uhm it's in Settings
The first item, even. But it's global across all images, not per tag (complex filtering is… complex)

On my alt account I've been using a Minumum Score of -4 since forever. Basically hidden tags keep out the worst of the stuff, and I let score filtering do the rest (untagged shitty memes etc)
It is incidentally the reason people need to lern2hide because for some artists I have to disable that threshold (read: I browse them from this account) because for some reason they attract downvotes for absolutely no reason. Like "ohey it's this artist I have spoilered INSTANT DOWNVOTE". Comments are also literally divided between "ogod not this shit again" and people that actually like the art, that one little detail, etc.

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WingbeatPony
Daring Do Dakimakura - Attended a Derpibooru panel at a MLP convention
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

Tag horse
@huebris
While you can't filter by score (currently), you can search by it in the advanced search. I sometimes do this to see what's really popular that I might have missed.

Site and Policy » I have a compromise re: no more downvoting from thumbnails: » Post 28

WingbeatPony
Daring Do Dakimakura - Attended a Derpibooru panel at a MLP convention
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

Tag horse
@huebris
While you can't filter by score (currently), you can search by it in the advanced search. I sometimes do this to see what's really popular that I might have missed.

Site and Policy » I have a compromise re: no more downvoting from thumbnails: » Post 27

huebris

I thought it was odd to be able to vote on spoilered images, but I personally rarely vote from the thumbnail to start with. Some images I've seen looked great from the thumbnail, but as nice up close.

Most of the junk you can see a mile away, but it feels petty to downvote from the thumbnail, because as far as I can tell there is no way to have a score in the filter system. Any such default score would definitely be ripe for abuse, but then the image score is just a number you need to interpret visually. I'm not reeeeally improving the overall quality of the site in a tangible manner, as even negative scored images are still shown. I can filter "downvotes galore", but that's it.

While I'm a fan of stable interfaces, I can't really blame the admins for looking at 'neigh' and thinking it's superfluous. If I could make a filter that said "fluttershy=+50" such a change would have had much farther reaching consequences. Or maybe I can, and I just don't realize it?

Site and Policy » I have a compromise re: no more downvoting from thumbnails: » Post 26

barbeque
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice
Magnificent Metadata Maniac - #1 Assistant
Thread Starter - Tag alias request thread
Artist -
Bronze Bit -
A Perfectly Normal Pony - <barbeque> I'm just going to break some javascript brb
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - 10+ uploads with over 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)
Fine Arts - Two hundred uploads with a score of over a hundred (Safe/Suggestive)

As Clover already pointed out, we'll be playing around with this in the coming time.

One thing that's always had me flabbergasted is that there was a downvote button on things that were spoilered. Personally (and I'm sure the legit people out there are too) I use spoilers as a way to not completely hide content I usually dislike, but get a fair warning before I open the image. I mouseover for the rest of the tags, and decide whether to open it or not.

Some people though, are spoilering tags they should be filtering, and using them as indicators for "shit I'll downvote without ever looking at it".*

One other thing that, if it were up to me alone (but I'm putting it out here so that people can give input on it), has irked me for a while now is the yellow background of spoilered images. For ages now, I've been overriding that to look like the other, both because it makes the text more readable, as well as it being clear from the now ever-present black bar that something is a spoilered image. The yellow thing screams for attention.

*= if you have something spoilered downvoted, the undownvote button will appear, but when you click it, it will disappear completely again. ie, you can remove your downvote, but not add a downvote, from things you spoiler from thumbs.

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Dale
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Well, I'll throw in my vote with either 'no votes from thumbnail' or 'both votes from thumbnail'.

I dunno. It seems to me, personally, that I can almost always tell what I want to upvote or downvote from the thumbnail. It might not look like that to the admins, though: stuff I want to downvote would just get downvoted from the thumbnail, but stuff I want to upvote, I also probably want to examine in detail, or look at the source or description, check comments, make comments, etc. So it would look like downvotes are disproportionately decided by thumbnail, when that's not actually the case—both votes are decided on the thumbnail, it's just stuff that gets an upvote also draws me to click through.

Site and Policy » I have a compromise re: no more downvoting from thumbnails: » Post 24

Clover the Clever
A Perfectly Normal Pony - <@CloverTheClever> I'd pay to see Carcer in a fursuit
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From the Night - I have technically banned myself a bunch of times...
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@Rostam
Like standard booru, well its in the name after all lol.


We don't do standard.

There's been some good suggestions in here and other threads — we're working on some changes and will probably run a few versions in parallel with some measurements to see how people like them, along with a request for feedback on the forums when they go live.

Thanks for not going crazy, people. I actually like these discussions when they're civil.

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Rostam
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Just have unclickble fave yay/neigh indicators?
Hmm that sounds reasonable.

Like standard booru, well its in the name after all lol.

Site and Policy » I have a compromise re: no more downvoting from thumbnails: » Post 22

boz
Thread Starter - The evil council continuation

@Crazy☾
How about putting back neigh but as an unclikable indicator? The indication would be there without the downvoting from thumbnail possibility.

Site and Policy » I have a compromise re: no more downvoting from thumbnails: » Post 21

Crazy☾
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - Uploader of 10+ images with 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)

I'd be fine with the "click to be able to vote" thing, but at this point I have no idea whether I've upvoted or downvoted something previously.

This is especially bad on images that have a spoiler, as I have no indication of content. You might say, "hover your mouse over the image", but if I'm on a tablet? No dice.

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Rostam
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

I agree with Itsthinks and Clowdicks

I'm in favor for getting rid of voting from thumbnail all together. If mindless mass voting is such a big problem remove all thumbnail interaction.

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WingbeatPony
Daring Do Dakimakura - Attended a Derpibooru panel at a MLP convention
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

Tag horse
@Itsthinking
Actually, have a look at the front page right now. Would you agree or disagree that the scores are indicative of the quality of the image? I'm noting at least five negative scores at this particular moment.

If the scores were unnaturally high, eg. in the 50+ point range before they got off the front page, then I think you'd have a point. But the scores don't look any higher than they usually do. The only thing missing are the 1-3 downvotes nearly every image was getting before we did this.

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Itsthinking
Princess Ember - Derpi Supporter
Diamond -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - Uploader of 10+ images with 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
An Artist Who Rocks - 100+ images under their artist tag
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2017) - Celebrated Derpibooru's five year anniversary with friends.
Silver Supporter -
Happy Derpy! -

Assistant
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@ClownDicks
And I don't buy voting positively from the thumbnail has "no negative effect." Because it actually does. Here's my question, essentially:

How is voting something up based on thumbnail alone any better for the objective quality of the piece than downvoting it?

Is it just because artists might take a downvote as an insult? If you're voting from thumbnail, you're not giving them a fair shake regardless of what you think of them. It's either mindless praise or mindless hate.

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boz
Thread Starter - The evil council continuation

@WingbeatPony
There should still be scre next to the score rather than yay who only mean positive.

Edit: How I see it back to the closest possible way of how it used to be minus the neigh.

[fav counter name/symbol here] x • scre x • |fave| • |yay| • x cmts

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Itsthinking
Princess Ember - Derpi Supporter
Diamond -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Perfect Pony Plot Provider - Uploader of 10+ images with 350 upvotes or more (Questionable/Explicit)
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!
An Artist Who Rocks - 100+ images under their artist tag
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2017) - Celebrated Derpibooru's five year anniversary with friends.
Silver Supporter -
Happy Derpy! -

Assistant
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I'd be in favor of not being able to vote from thumbnails at all.

@WingbeatPony
My problem is that it isn't even. If you want to make it so you have to click on the image to give a negative rating, you should do the same for a positive one.

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WingbeatPony
Daring Do Dakimakura - Attended a Derpibooru panel at a MLP convention
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.
Equality - In our state, we do not stand out.
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2018) - Celebrated Derpibooru's six year anniversary with friends.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

Tag horse
@KirbyfanNeox
I agree, I also think plain text is better. I was thinking combining the scores with the buttons, something like
yay 25 • fav 3 • cmt 65
What do you guys think? (Oh, and maybe ask your friends, too…the ones who don't read the site/policy forums and then act surprised when we change the site or policy.)

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Science
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@Stricken
No one told me about this. The only reason I ever go on the forums is to cry about recent changes and discuss the recent episode with my fellow My Little Pony aficionados.

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