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I am currently interested in looking for tagging projects to do and this seems like the place to talk about it. I’m going to suggest a couple ideas but I’m not terribly concerned with what the tagging project is, just looking for…more long term projects.
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First idea involves the equestria girls tag and humans. Since my last project involving them kind of horribly backfired, I was thinking of making up for it by helping clean up the tag. Now…to my understanding.

* According to the tag description, feral quadruped ponies from EqG should not be tagged with equestria girls, and instead be tagged with equestria girls (movie).
* Also according to the description, they shouldn’t be tagged with human or humanized. They are their own species essentially.

What I’m wondering is:

* How this works with tags like winged humanization. I can’t seem to find an alternate tag set specific to equestria girls aside from just tagging wings. If there isn’t one I’m fine with it. Just want to make sure so that I can tag accordingly.
* How this works with non-canon skin color. My guess is that it’s anything in the style, whether it matches the skin color of the canon equestria girls or not (e.g., normal human skin tones).

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The second idea is gender sex tags. With a focus on anything missing one.

Now…From my experience on e6 I know these tend to be more strictly enforced because a lot of people rely on them being accurate. So until I get a grasp on the nuances of how they’re tagged here I’m playing it safe and sticking to male, female, and probably futa, because those are the most straight forward.

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If there are any really obvious pratfalls here that I might not be aware of. I’d certainly appreciate the help.
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You’re gonna need to explain in non-wonk detail what "feral" means to all the non-furfriends in the audience, it means something different to the general population.

I still think the human tag should apply to every EqG character— since, y’know, they’re all Humans, and anyone searching for or spoilering against uppity primates probably includes the EqG cast in that lot— but I get sneered down any time I propose it. There really should be some kind of tag that applies to their winged/horned power up versions that’s separate from winged / horned humanization, though; I guess winged humanization, -ponied up might work, but it’s kinda clunky.
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"Feral" for furries is quadruped creatures.
In Derpi’s case, "feral" means an animal that doesn’t have sapience.

As you can probably guess, it’s tagged improperly in a lot of pictures.
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I try in general to avoid arguing hyperpedantic descriptors with furries the same way I do with metalheads— or with starting a land war in Asia— but for the sake of tagging accuracy the ground rules do need to be established before anyone goes haring off and mass tagging anything.
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Feral for furries is non-anthro creatures; a bird or an insect who isn’t humanoid will also be "feral". It’s still stupid; the actual word to oppose "anthropomorphic" would be "zoomorphic", i.e. animal-shaped.

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The majority of vocal part of staff think "feral" is for non-sentient animals. What they can’t decide, or restrain themselves from wiping, is what tag to use in its stead.


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Use sex tags. Gender tags are, unless etymologically equivalent to sex tags, entirely useless for practical purposes due to being both subjective and not derivable from content of the image.
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* How this works with tags like winged humanization. I can’t seem to find an alternate tag set specific to equestria girls aside from just tagging wings. If there isn’t one I’m fine with it. Just want to make sure so that I can tag accordingly.

If I’m understanding what you mean, I think you’re looking for ponied up, or possibly ponied up, wings.

I will admit I’ve never been entirely clear as to what to tag images of EG characters reinterpreted in a more "realistic" manner. It would seem logical to me to tag them as humans, but apparently that’s not how we’re supposed to do things? I think?

Regarding the argument with the feral tag, I think that a tag designed to classify non-anthropomorphic characters on this site is redundant in the extreme. I really don’t see the need to go through and tag every image with one or more non-anthro ponies in it with a tag especially for non-anthropomorphic characters. To begin with, almost every single characters in any and all official material — with a few exceptions like Catrina, Capper, the Storm King and the Klugetown lot — is either a full human or a "feral".

A tag for anthros — that’s one thing. But "feral" characters as so clearly the default state that I really don’t see the need to go through the site’s backlog to tag them all as such.
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I’ll take Parasprite’s side here. I’m in the camp that Equestria Girls "humans" and other humanizations should be kept separate. EQG has different proportions and coloring than regular humans, and to me they feel like different species. In regards to one of your points, there is a "human coloration" tag.
Also I don’t think Parasprite meant to propose a "feral" tag, nor do I think we need one due to the aforementioned double meaning.
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Whew this blew up faster than than I expected. I’ll be replying to each of you individually. Long post incoming.

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You’re gonna need to explain in non-wonk detail what "feral" means to all the non-furfriends in the audience, it means something different to the general population.

I still think the human tag should apply to every EqG character— since, y’know, they’re all Humans, and anyone searching for or spoilering against uppity primates probably includes the EqG cast in that lot— but I get sneered down any time I propose it. There really should be some kind of tag that applies to their winged/horned power up versions that’s separate from winged / horned humanization, though; I guess winged humanization, -ponied up might work, but it’s kinda clunky.


Yes, sorry. I am using the furry definition of feral as in quadraped/normal form (think snake) whether it’s sapient or not. From now on I’ll refer to these as quadraped or non-human, non-anthro, etc. for clarity.

It’s definitely done for a logical reason, even if it isn’t the most obvious how it should be tagged. I’m not really here to change the status quo, but my personal suggestion would be to:

* Use human (equestria girls) as the tag rather than simply equestria girls
* Imply human (equestria girls)human
* Update the human/humanized tag descriptions to specifically mention using human (equestria girls). Even if the tag isn’t changed it would still be beneficial to do this for the current tag.
* (I’m 50/50 on this) Alias equestria girls (human) to equestria girls at least temporarily. To clear up the tags. At worst what’s in it is still the same amount of mistagged as what it was before but the meaning is more clear.

This way you can both search the EqG style and filter it in all one fell swoop.

And yes, I completely agree. Putting the rules in ahead of time will save a lot of problems in the long-term and prevent potential mass scale problems, and result in a lot less work for everyone.

@Deserter
Whew. I can only imagine. That’s definitely an uphill battle.

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Use sex tags. Gender tags are, unless etymologically equivalent to sex tags, entirely useless for practical purposes due to being both subjective and not derivable from content of the image.


Got it. On e6 they still call them sex tags for fear of being confused with tags that include the act of sex, so I can definitely see the benefits of calling them sex tags. I’ll refer to them as such from now on.

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I will admit I’ve never been entirely clear as to what to tag images of EG characters reinterpreted in a more "realistic" manner. It would seem logical to me to tag them as humans, but apparently that’s not how we’re supposed to do things? I think?

Regarding the argument with the feral tag, I think that a tag designed to classify non-anthropomorphic characters on this site is redundant in the extreme. I really don’t see the need to go through and tag every image with one or more non-anthro ponies in it with a tag especially for non-anthropomorphic characters. To begin with, almost every single characters in any and all official material — with a few exceptions like Catrina, Capper, the Storm King and the Klugetown lot — is either a full human or a "feral".

A tag for anthros — that’s one thing. But "feral" characters as so clearly the default state that I really don’t see the need to go through the site’s backlog to tag them all as such.


It seems like that’s how they’re currently done. I just wanted to make sure before I touched anything since the tag description didn’t say otherwise.

("feral" (quadraped) as a tag)I know my perspective is a bit warped seeing as my experience is mostly in a furry-centric setting, but it can be reaaaaally helpful to have complete coverage when starting massive tagging projects or simply maintaining tags. It allows you to easily filter out stuff that already has at least one of the tags you’re looking for.

Whether it’s worth it or not is another story. I’d definitely be willing to put my work in if it came to it though.
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i’m very adamantly against sex tags as opposed to gender tags. i despise how e621 tags a lot of things, gender being one of them. there is no reason to (for example) tag a trans woman character as futa when "female + trans girl" or "female + transgender" will easily suffice for filtering and searching.
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