Sonic Discussion

@Red-Supernova  
….That’s kind of petty.  
I doubt it will be, though, probably on his disappointing games of 2017.  
Also Super Paper Mario is better than the first one imo.

@Mike  
It isn’t. Internet reviewers like him are trained to hate 3D Sonic games.  
I like all of the pre-Sticker Star games.

@Red-Supernova  
Uh, you do know Projared is not like most internet reviewers, that is fucking petty.  
Honestly, it just makes you seem like someone who can’t handle criticism of a game they like because someone on the internet didn’t.  
The horror!

@Mike  
Watch his Sonic Adventure 2 review! Even he dislikes it!

Eh, people can downvote what they want, who cares.

@LightningBolt  
ProJared even demonizes Sonic’s friends at the end of his video.

@LightningBolt  
It sounds more like someone who can’t handle that someone else, god forbid, didn’t like something they do.  
And that’s childish.

@Mike  
People never like things I do, but everyone is different. :L

@Mike  
The thing is, its the same old song and dance about the 3D games that I’ve been hearing for YEARS now. Its fucking old, I want them to try ENJOYING them for once.

@LightningBolt  
Exactly. But that’s no reason to downvote someone’s video. Super Metroid is my favorite game but I don’t give a video a downvote because someone said they didn’t like it, I just click away.

@Red-Supernova
 
You’d like ClementJ64’s “Let’s Plays” (I put that in quotes because he records all the gameplay footage and then records his commentary in post because he has trouble concentrating when doing live commentary, but it’s still closer to Let’s Plays than, say, BrainScratch). He’s very fair to the games even when he doesn’t like them, unless he REALLY doesn’t like them (like, say, Mega Man X6). He also has quite a few very unpopular opinions about the Sonic series. He actually likes Black Knight and Lost World, for one thing.

@Red-Supernova  
STOP telling people what they should and shouldn’t do.

@Jarkes  
Also, Clement loves Sonic Adventure 2 to death and it’s his third favorite game in the series.

@Jarkes  
I watched Clement’s “Let’s Play” of Mighty No. 9 and I thought he made some very valid points toward it. And from how it sounds, his LPs sound more organized.

@Red-Supernova  
Seriously, how do you know they didn’t try to enjoy the games? You can’t. just. force. someone to like something!

@Jarkes  

 
Orbot & Cubot are great.
 
@Mike  
Some actually do try to enjoy the Sonic, and want them to be good, but maybe Sonic 3D platformers just aren’t their thing. (Or Sega needs to learn to put more time in the series.)
 
I suppose seeing the same criticisms/complaints constantly get old, (and like double-standards as nobody bashes “Super Mario 3D World” for having 5 playable characters, while they still rag on Sonic despite them cutting down their roster in most recent games) and it just feels like every critic is just literally copying, and pasting the same criticisms/complaints constantly, (even if they have some points) so I can kinda understand Red’s frustration.
 
Still as you guys said, maybe we just not care what critics say, and just form our own opinions. Everyone has different opinions.
 
Y’know, the debate on “old vs new” in Sonic kinda reminds me of how bronies argue on how the first season was the best, and such.

@Red-Supernova  

You say that like enjoying something is a choice. Yeah, maybe it is to an extent, but what are you seriously asking? Do you want everyone to PRETEND that they like the 3D Sonic games? Why do you think 3D Sonic has a reputation for being bad, other than (shocking, I know) the games being bad?? If you can extract some enjoyment out of 3D Sonic, then more power to you. But you’re coming dangerously close to toxic fanboyism here.

@BrownieComicWriter  
That’s what I’m time to trying to tell him.

@BrownieComicWriter  
Rather then “force” everyone to like the games, I think he meant he wants to hear something positive for a change of pace, or see a Sonic game that’s more liked, (as in, actually well made) rather then the same complaints constantly. While some complaints about the series are understandable, or legit, some are just copied and pasted from every critic online, and frankly even when Sega adddresses a game issue, it’s still never enough.
 
Some like the “Sonic has too many characters” complaint, (which started with “Sonic Heroes”) don’t really hold water anymore, as Sega actually addressed that, and made Sonic, and Sonic-only playable in most games from 2004-2013 practically. Yet, some still complain about it, and frankly getting rid of all the characters hasn’t improved the series in any way. (And ironically, I see those same people praise other games like “Super Mario 3D World” for having multiple playable characters.)  
I saw one gaming site state in it’s “Top 10 ways to improve the Sonic series” list that it should “only have Sonic & Robotnik/Eggman.” Which is rather extreme, especially considering many fans love Tails & Knuckles. So honestly some “critics” are going overboard. (IGN for example.)
 
I’ve seen some say they actually prefer the 3D games then the 2D ones. So the “3D games being bad” isn’t quite a “solid fact,” or black & white issue. That’s something for us to decide as you said.
 
In fact, not every 2D game is great either IMO. The GameGear version of Sonic 2 was downright awful IMO. (Despite the confusing title, it’s nothing like the Genesis Sonic 2) Hangliding controls in particular were awful. (But I do like it’s 8-bit rendition of “Toot toot Sonic Warrior” song from Sonic CD.) Some of the other GameGear games were pretty mediocre IMO. (Tails Adventure was great though, and “Sonic Labyrinth” wasn’t that bad.)  
Sonic 4:Ep.1 was rather wonky too, and it gets just as much hate as the 3D games do. (Even before it was released some refused to give it a chance, or complained about ridiculous things like “green eyes” that had nothing to do with the gameplay itself.) The DS “Rush” games also get criticism of relying too much on the boost feature, which is why they nerfed it in “Sonic Colors DS” and onward. So at least Sega does take some fan criticism in account.
 
My whole point is,  
there is toxic-fanboyism in the opposite extreme too. I see people as I stated look for ridiculous reasons to hate Sonic games. I saw one complain the palm trees don’t look the same as Sonic 1, and such. (And don’t get me started on the “green eyes” B.S.)  
So honestly some complaints are ridiculous, rather then address actual problems with the series.

Say, um…whatever happened to the Master Emerald?

@Background Pony #F596  
Forgotten along with everything else in Sonic Adventure 2.

@Mike  
Humans too?

@Background Pony #F596  
No.

@Mike  
I couldn’t find any in Colors, Generations, Lost World and Forces. Eggman doesn’t count.

@Background Pony #F596  
I guess the last game humans were in was Unleashed.