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Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1416

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CHurricane
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Devil's Advocate
OC owner being associated with a site they very much aren’t fond of,
 
So if the oc owner does say that he is “not fond of” use of their oc that associates them with a site, organization or overall messeage of the picture then they can request a takedown of that picture?

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1414

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1413

CHurricane
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Devil's Advocate
It can be pretty much figured out what the liferaft represents, even without labels, is the issue.
 
How exactly? There is no site names on that picture and aryanne is not tied to any other booru. There is no way to say that censored picture is about derpibooru being dead or any other booru.
 
And no, OC owners can’t get things taken down; the image has to in some way look like it’s slandering/harassing someone
 
Censored titanic picture is not slandering/harrasing anyone and saying that even oryginall does is a big stretch.( it was suposed to be a borderline case if i remember correctly)
 
You’re talking about a different bulletpoint than the one that covers racism; the bulletpoint about bait of course cares about whether something’s a joke, but the one about racism does not.
 
So does that mean that all racist jokes are now banned? Is >>1048884 going to be deleted then?
 
 
@Princess Luna
 
It was explained.
OC owner being associated with a site they very much aren’t fond of, with their OC very prominent and looking directly at the viewer, in an image about leaving Derpibooru for such site.
 
Censored version does solve both the problem with Asociateing milky with ponybooru and the problem with messeage that it is derpibooru that they are leaving.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1412

Princess Luna
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@Background Pony #555C  
It was explained.  
OC owner being associated with a site they very much aren’t fond of, with their OC very prominent and looking directly at the viewer, in an image about leaving Derpibooru for such site.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1411

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1410

Princess Luna
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@CHurricane  
It can be pretty much figured out what the liferaft represents, even without labels, is the issue.  
And no, OC owners can’t get things taken down; the image has to in some way look like it’s slandering/harassing someone, which is not even dependent on whether an OC owner reports it.  
You’re talking about a different bulletpoint than the one that covers racism; the bulletpoint about bait of course cares about whether something’s a joke, but the one about racism does not.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1409

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@CHurricane  
No no, filters are to be used only for some sort of unspecified reason that will only be determined when deemed necessary.  
Or convenient for arguments sake. (If you don’t like X, just filter it, but we will know if you did.)

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1408

CHurricane
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

Devil's Advocate
The Titanic Milky Way image with censored labels is likely going to stay deleted, but do note all the edits that have removed/replaced Milky Way are allowed as of now.
 
Why? I thought the main problem was Asociateing milky with ponybooru and the message that derpibooru is dead, so deletion of the boru names takes care of both of those things.
 
Beside that: “likely”? So is it going to stay deleted or not?
 
And does that mean that the oc owners can take down pictures they dont like that use their ocs?
 
I’m gonna state clearly right now that further arguments trying to use comedy as an excuse to dispel Rule 0 will not be tolerated, as it’s a huge tangent that can’t really go anywhere (nothing in the rule talks about a comedy excuse).
 
No one wants to dispell rule 0 with comedy, we want(or at least i want) to know what the oficial enforcement is supposed to look like. Are all racist jokes banned? Does it mean that pictures like >>1048884 (gassing ponies with diferent color) are going to be deleted?
 
 
@Princess Luna
 
It matters, but only for determining whether something promotes racism; whether it provokes certain emotional reactions on top of that is irrelevant (at least on that bulletpoint).
 
The bulletpoint states:
 
“Do not post content whose only apparent purpose is inciting anger, arguments, or controversy.”
 
So if picture does incite emotions but inciteing emotions is not the only purpose of that picture than the picture should be allowed. Filters exist for that reason and we can make special tag for racist/controvertial humor so people will be able to easy filter it

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1407

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1406

Northern
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@Princess Luna  
@Princess Luna  
And with that the site has officially declared the concepts of parody and satire using dark themes disallowed. I understand and won’t argue that point here anymore. Just be sure you understand what you have just done, as it is a very, very deep step into ideologically puritanical censorship.

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Princess Luna
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Apologies for the extended lock, but such has to be done when threads tend to deviate well from their purpose and we don’t have moderator availability to deal with them.  
I’m gonna state clearly right now that further arguments trying to use comedy as an excuse to dispel Rule 0 will not be tolerated, as it’s a huge tangent that can’t really go anywhere (nothing in the rule talks about a comedy excuse).
 
The Titanic Milky Way image with censored labels is likely going to stay deleted, but do note all the edits that have removed/replaced Milky Way are allowed as of now.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1401

Derpy Whooves
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@Northern  
If this were a Foster’s Home For Imaginary Friends booru and someone uploaded an image of Bloo wearing Nazi regalia and dabbing while murdering Wilt in a gas chamber we would delete that image, too. Just because it was meant ironically or you find it funny doesn’t mean we have to host it.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1400

Northern
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I refuse to bend
@Derpy Whooves  
It’s not a racist joke. The joke isn’t at the expense of the victim, the joke is at the expense of pinkie and aryanne because the joke is that they’re horrible people for doing this. The joke isn’t ‘haha, look at the dead griffon’, there’s no humor in that to basically anyone in the fandom. To the creator of the image, to the people who enjoyed it that image is a satirical piss-take on how shitty this makes pinkie and Aryanne, which is the whole point of the joke of Aryanne’s character. She’s not supposed to be glorified for her actions, her actions are hilarious because they make her a terrible person.
 
A similar example would be Bloo, from Foster’s Home. He’s an asshole. His entire character is an asshole, but it’s endearing to the audience because it’s funny and a contrast with the nice environment around him. THAT is the appeal of Aryanne and the purpose of the image in question.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1399

Derpy Whooves
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@Northern  
Saying that a racist holocaust joke is ‘satirical’ or ‘ironic’ in its racism does not excuse the fact that it is a racist holocaust joke. We choose to not host it.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1398

Northern
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I refuse to bend
@Derpy Whooves  
And that’s meaningless because the image was satirical. There’s absolutely nothing explicitly racist about the message there. The joke is that it’s horrible and pinkie and aryanne are dabbing about it. This is as clear cut as it gets an example of using the theme of racism to make a dark joke. It’s not anything that can reasonably be even remotely argued to be unironic in its racism. There’s definitively not: ’ a ‘joke’ that is just a racist meme like ‘le happy merchant’ or ‘meanwhile in Africa’ ’ here.
 
You crossed your line.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1397

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1396

Northern
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I refuse to bend
@Derpy Whooves  
And that is absolutely not the case of the image in question. The point remains, the line into cutting humor the staff disagrees with, even when not explicitly racist has been crossed. There’s no ifs, ands or buts about that. It’s been demonstrated and there’s something substantial to the argument that this is censorship, not just of legitimately racist content but of ‘potentially racist’ humor. This crosses the line that you and the moderators stated you would not cross. That is unacceptable, again.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1395

Derpy Whooves
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@Northern  
Yes. Most of the images with a holocaust or ‘gas chamber’ theme including ponies or other characters being murdered in gas chambers have been deleted. Those are good examples of images that some people considered funny and say should not be deleted because they’re jokes. However, I don’t know that it’s fair to say they were all deleted for being racist. Some were deleted because the the character being murdered was wearing a pride flag.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1394

Northern
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I refuse to bend
@Derpy Whooves  
If a joke is pinkie pie and aryanne dabbing in front of a gas chamber with someone banging on the window it’s apparently racist too. That could not be more obviously satirical if it tried to be. The dabbing gives it plenty of context for it to be so, etc.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1393

Derpy Whooves
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Looking For My Doctor
So are jokes involving racism now banned?
 
Jokes involving racism, like the kinds of jokes that George Carlin, Chris Rock, or Richard Pryor might tell, are generally ok. But if the ‘joke’ is just a racist meme like ‘le happy merchant’ or ‘meanwhile in Africa’ then it’s just racist.

Site and Policy » Explanation of update to Rule #0 for consistency and clarity especially in regards to racism » Post 1390

CHurricane
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

Devil's Advocate
I would like to note in regards to the woot and Aryanne image, it’s the slur that really suggests it’s trying to say all zebras are like this.
 
Saying “no way zigger” as in “one zigger” not “many ziggers” is in my opinion targeted only at that particular zabra and is used as a response to sexual harasment. Saying that it is implying that all zebras are sexual harasers is a big stretch.
 
And beside that i thought that the problem was that this pic was interpreted saying that all black people were sexual harassers (even bigger stretch) but now you are talking about zebras, so does now being racist to imaginary 2d talking zebras is considered unacceptable?

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