Discussion……………
Fine. The term anti-censorship is like saying “pro-life” when talking about abortion. it’s a spin on what the underlying issue of the other side is. Don’t worry that’s a different can of worms beyond this post. Point is, it’s a loaded statment that does muddy the waters about what this is about.
Because it’s not about censorship at all.
It’s about giving hate speech a platform
And that’s it. That’s the end of the argument. It boils down to people who see this is a clearly defined black and white issue (anti-nazi), and people who see a warm fuzzy grey area (anti-censorship)
And yes, I did say the “anti-nazi” side, which implies the other side is pro-nazi. “oh but that’s a loaded statement!” No, it’s not. Anything that supports Nazism in a positive light. is giving it a platform. It’s saying “this is OK” That is what is so Egregious about Aryanne. She doesn’t have to be saying anything, her mere presence implies that the brony fandom tolerates here.
That’s why there was an Atlanatic article written about bronies, about derpi, saying there’s a problem. There is.
It doesn’t matter if it’s, “for the lolz” , or “edgy humour” or “my freedom of speech”. So here’s the primary tenant of the argument.
“Giving hate speech a pass, means that people who actually use hate speech, can use it unchecked”
“oh you can just filter it” - NOT THE POINT. That is an argument easily countered with “and if you want to see it now that it’s taboo here, go to any of the other websites that allow it”
I’m inclined to believe most people on the “anti-censorship” side. Aren’t actually racists, or nazi’s, or anything. Problem is however, that their ambivalence toward the matter allows for actual nazi’s, racists, what-have-you’s to post their crap. Without a clearly defined difference between the two…how is anyone supposed to know who is actually suporting nazism/racism, and who is just doing it to be edgy.
There is no clear way, ergo anyone who does it, is branded supporting it.
There’s a Mitchell and webb sketch that addresses this lack of distinction between ironically doing something, and actually doing something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ss-59fi4nM
So there ya go. That’s the “other side” of the argument.
And this is where it becomes thorny. For the “anti-censorship” side, they use a logical fallacy called Slippery Slope, in order to make it about more than just nazis. “Oh, oh they’re coming for foalcon next” I personally would be okay with that getting banned. however, it’s not. I’d imagine as long as no one writes an article in a semi-major news paper saying “bronies like jerking it to underage cartoon horses” then probably wont come after the foalcon, or the rape, the borderline physcotic stuff people make, and all the other things people post on this site.
Truthfully, Hate Speech is clerly defined, nazism and its support is clearly defined. This is soley about removing its platform. Nothing more.
Any argument against “nazi’s are bad” will unilaterally be one of “nazi’s are good” Changing that black and white issue to a grey one. “Nazi’s are bad, but freedom of speech” “Nazi’s are bad, but I like this horses tits” “Nazis are bad but traditionally we were allowed to post it”
It’s not grey. And this brings us to the final point of this word salad. “It’s not a debate”
It’‘s a lot of people who don’t like a thing, vs a few people who do, having to deal with it. “Oh!!! You can’t prove that”
Actually yes I can. Just look at how many people DNP’d the server and submitted takedowns of all their work when the site said they’d ban nazis. and how many people did it when they said Nazi’s were ok again.
There’s no argument here anymore. There’s only 1 side which is literally the modern worlds take on nazism and hate speech, and another side which is supporting nazism and hate speech.
Sorry, I would love to debate this. Debate is good, it’s how dialogue happens, but this is one of those things that isn’t up for debate, becaus it’s not a grey issue. You either support hate speech, or you don’t.